The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[NyarukoW]

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Do you think any group is going to even CONSIDER someone who says "hey I'm in full poetic but can't beat turn 1" for a turn 10-13 group? ...

It is NOT they can NOT, but rather they haven't had the reps to learn it and actually clear it. The fact that they have NOT yet, does NOT preclude them from doing so in the future. Give people the benefit of the doubt. That is being inclusive. BTW nobody is in full poetics yet, nor does gear level ever equate to skill level.

[RickXRolled]

It is NOT they can NOT, but rather they haven't had the reps to learn it and actually clear it. The fact that they have NOT yet, does NOT preclude them from doing so in the future. Give people the benefit of the doubt. That is being inclusive. BTW nobody is in full poetics yet, nor does gear level ever equate to skill level.

As Dr. Phil once said, never give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

[Risvertasashi]

As Dr. Phil once said, never give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

And thus we have the current endgame raiding scene. Must be geared, fast learner, be exactly on the turn we're on or further along, etc etc...

[Aana]

And thus we have the current endgame raiding scene. Must be geared, fast learner, be exactly on the turn we're on or further along, etc etc...

So what exactly is a raid group starting on say t10 right now supposed to do with a member that is under geared and not a fast learner exactly? Continue to fail gear checks (tank under geared dying, dps failing dps checks etc). Sit around wiping to the 1st mechanic for 3 weeks because they are a slow learner? If you are undergeared, you can fix that you self by farming up gear. If you are a slow learner there's nothing anyone but you can do about it. What exactly are you expecting the raid community to do about personal problems like this?

[Dwill]

And thus we have the current endgame raiding scene. Must be geared, fast learner, be exactly on the turn we're on or further along, etc etc...

Time is precious and nobody likes having their time wasted. That means that if I want a quick clear or someone to progress with, I'll choose the geared person that understand mechanics quick enough over the undergeared person who needs to dies to every mechanics 10+ times. Do you think people could have cleared T8 with undergeared DPS when the encounter has a very tight DPS check to meet ? Or tanks with ~6,000 HP getting destroyed by Nael on T9 ?

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Ghislain made a lot of other valid points, why don't you try to answer to those ?

[Risvertasashi]

So what exactly is a raid group starting on say t10 right now supposed to do with a member that is under geared and not a fast learner exactly? Continue to fail gear checks (tank under geared dying, dps failing dps checks etc). Sitaround wiping to the 1st mechanic for 3 weeks because they are a slow learner? If you are undergeared, you can fix that you self by farming up gear. If you are a slow learner there's nothing anyone but you can do about it. What exactly are you expecting the raid community to do about personal problems like this?

Time is precious and nobody likes having their time wasted. That means that if I want a quick clear or someone to progress with, I'll choose the geared person that understand mechanics quick enough over the undergeared person who needs to dies to every mechanics 10+ times. Do you think people could have cleared T8 with undergeared DPS when the encounter has a very tight DPS check to meet ? Or tanks with ~6,000 HP getting destroyed by Nael on T9 ?



Ghislain made a lot of other valid points, why don't you try to answer to those ?

Maybe, just maybe, there are some players out there stuck on T5 (because the groups doing it mostly suck) but are SCoB and FCoB capable.

They might have only just hit 50 and might not be decked out in poetics yet either. (Yeah OK it's a bit early, no one is yet, but you can bet that groups will expect you to be 115 or 120 in a few weeks).

Maybe they had to deal with RL for a bit and came to the patch late.

Not much of an issue for me--I have a social network of raiders. But, you know. I don't think that's a reason to give the middle finger to newcomers. Or as someone just pointed out, returning players.

[Exstal]

Why wouldn't that be a reason to give the finger to them? If you're interested in helping, you'll stay. If you're not, then you won't. That's reason enough to say, "hell no" to everyone.

[Risvertasashi]

Mmm. I don't have a good answer to that, but I think it says a lot about the raiding community.