The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[AlexionSkylark]

OK, so... I saw the stuff about FCoB and was very excited about it...Then I realized I probably won't be able to even see it until the expansion. And maybe not even then.

Why? Because I'm a filthy casual.

Most, if not all of the FCs in my world (Behemoth) only recruit for statics who raid 3x/week or more. I cannot commit myself so many nights, and therefore those are out if the question. Then... there's the PF. Nice addition to the game, huh? well... not so much.

About 95% of the groups appearing on PF are Farm groups, who expect you to know the fight inside out. If you're a noob who didn't even get to clear the fight, you're out. And when, by miracle, someone (or myself) is forming a T6 learning party there, what happens is that the group takes literally *HOURS* to form (my last attempt took almost 3 hours to form the group) between people coming and leaving cuz stuff is taking too long. Then, when we finally get to the boss, some jerkass (almost always one of the tanks) leaves the group spewing things like "you noobs", "fail group" and what-nots. So, we're back on the PF for another half or full hour to find another tank... or giving up after group morale hits rock bottom.

Now the thing is... that's been happening since very little after the launch of patch 2.2!!!! So, if you didn't clear the fights before the first month, you're out of the loop?

So, my question for the community is... Is that it, then? If you can't go into Coil 3 nights or more a week, you're shut out? Nobody understands the meaning of "learning party" anymore, and we're thrown to the side, unable to do the content cuz lack of will? do ALL tanks have it so easily to the point that not a single one is still chasing content? what is happening? Do we have any hope to clear SCoB, or our only choice is to wait for 2.5 and go in there on the DF?

This is a pretty sad reality, if there are no solutions...

[Prototype909]

Make your own static with people with similar schedules to your own or deal with the drama.

[NyarukoW]

Make your own static with people with similar schedules to your own or deal with the drama.

I am sure people like the OP has already tried many times. A static does NOT just magically show up on demand.

Worse yet you find people selling T6-T9 for 60 mil or so. And still you will be stuck without a static to do T10.

[Fornix]

I am sure people like the OP has already tried many times. A static does NOT just magically show up on demand.

Worse yet you find people selling T6-T9 for 60 mil or so. And still you will be stuck without a static to do T10.

Having aided in the formation of 5 statics in my FC, and currently forming our 6th static I can assure you that it's not impossible to form a static either. It does take time, yes. And during the wait for a full static, some may leave. Considering as to how I'm in my own static already as well, I can't drag them into runs with PUGs myself either. Making it additionally challenging to get things moving at times as there's an apparent lack of incentive with many players in this game.

Take the time however, and you will get there. Expect roughly 6 - 10 weeks, and you can be going on regular basis with a static. Don't expect to get any rapid kills on FCoB right now. But if the formation of a static starts now you may still very well clear it prior to the expansion.

[BreathlessTao]

Endgame content requires hours of practice, team synergy and more. It's simply not designed for the casual or PUG in mind. SE has put casual options into the game so that casual players can gear up and enjoy some content, without completing the more challenging content. Yoshi always launches content saying "We only expect a very small % of players can win." It is planned that way.

That in itself is quite alright too, personally I have nothing against it. That's just how it should be. I think the problem with Coil lies in the fact that it's so integral to the game's story, too much such content, too much lore is buried in it - and when there is a "main scenario" questline, as well as there should be, people who can't do it feel like they're left out and missing important things. Quite rightfully so, if you ask me. Once Coil is over, as in it's put in DF and nerfed enough that it can be downed via DF, I believe we'll see a lot less frustration in players who can't clear it (like myself).

I think SE missed the mark on this one a little. Had Crystal Tower been the hardcore-endgame-raid content that requires such dedication and commitment, and Coil the more casual-focused (as everything else that pertains to the game's story is), there would have been a generally more laid-back attitude to the whole "divide", in my opinion. In short: stuffs related to main plotline should not be put in hardcore dungeons.

[Shori]

You've summed up my experience of end game content. I gave up on it and started doing other stuff. Its not that I'm not capable of passing Titan Ex or T6, as I'm usualy the last one left alive, but its impossible to get a party if you've not cleared it already.
I wish we were on the same server Alexion so we could team up. I can do either tank heal or dps too x.x

[AlexionSkylark]

I was able to clear Titan and Ifrit Ex through sheer force of will, queueing on DF time and time again until I got a group commited to take the fight to the end. It took literally my entire sunday to do that, I started queueing at like 12 pm and got it down at 1 am.

But I cannot do that with SCoB, since they still have the limitation that you have to enter with a pre-formed party. Really a bummer.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I was able to clear Titan and Ifrit Ex through sheer force of will, queueing on DF time and time again until I got a group commited to take the fight to the end. It took literally my entire sunday to do that, I started queueing at like 12 pm and got it down at 1 am.

But I cannot do that with SCoB, since they still have the limitation that you have to enter with a pre-formed party. Really a bummer.

This was my experience with T5. Aaaaaaaaaaallllll day long but got'damn it felt good to finish.

If you are not in a static and you are not interested in taking time to form one (neither of which I wanted to do at the time) then you need to have, as you stated before, a strong will. The force of which will drive you to clear the content. People have the will to form a static and that will take a lot of time as well. Same as trying all day to clear in the DF. Its all about preference but in the end u will be able to clear either way.

[AlexionSkylark]

This was my experience with T5. Aaaaaaaaaaallllll day long but got'damn it felt good to finish.

That too... I wouldn't really mind being able to enter T6 in DF and bang my head against walls till it breaks like I did with Ifrit Ex. In fact, I was even eagerly expecting that. When I entered the game post-patch to notice you can still only go there with a pre-formed party was REALLY a cold bucket of water on my head =\

[Lord_Zlatan]

That too... I wouldn't really mind being able to enter T6 in DF and bang my head against walls till it breaks like I did with Ifrit Ex. In fact, I was even eagerly expecting that. When I entered the game post-patch to notice you can still only go there with a pre-formed party was REALLY a cold bucket of water on my head =\

but you will notice now (not sure if you have tried) that since there is no lockout on coil people WILL help you learn it because they have unlimited access to gear now.