The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Tiggy]

Nobody is making any assumptions about your motives. Your simple point only applies to you. The fact of the matter is that you don't speak for everyone else.

He simply echos the sentiment that myself and most of the people I do primals and coil with. There is a lot to do in the game. We are not obligated to help anyone just because you think we should. Our time is ours to do with as we see fit and you are in no way entitled to expect anything from anybody. I log in at night to have fun. Not to work a job where I have to be clear b***h for anyone and everyone even if I don't know them. Many people think like Izsha because it's our time you're trying to claim. Not yours.

While I've never been a part of a sold run I definitely understand where they come from. They put time and effort to learn these runs and their time is valuable to them after a hard day raising children or working in the real world. If they put a price on their time and someone is willing to pay it then it's non of your business what so ever. Stop trying to tell people how to play the game.

If you want wins cultivate a base of helpful friends. Put party finders up and have patience. Coming to this forum and complaining at the people who can win the fight because you perceive they aren't helping is the most entitled thing I've ever seen on these forums. They don't owe you a single thing what-so-ever.

[Aylis]

To the OP I sympathize with you totally as I'm in sorta the same situation where do do life its impossible for me to fit into a raid static or commit to raids. Due to it I simply have to not raid. Its just something you have to be okay with because it is what it is and breaking into raids is something that does take time and dedication to do as it should be. Even with learning parties its still time and dedication invested to learn fights though be it a lot harder and longer due to the randomness in players vs a dedicated static where these people play together nightly and know each others strengths and weaknesses by heart. Very VERY rarely do players beat a raid on their first second or even third go. The difference being statics will stick it out and learn while PUG learning parties often fall apart.

I won't suggest what others have posted and start the same old song and dances. I'll just say it comes down to two things. Can time be made and set aside? If the answer is yes then their are options. If the answer is no then the cold truth of it is accepting its not something for the player. The game has a plethora of burst content to do in the meanwhile.

[Atomnium]

Then I realized I probably won't be able to even see it until the expansion. And maybe not even then.
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Why? Because I'm a filthy casual.
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So, my question for the community is... Is that it, then? If you can't go into Coil 3 nights or more a week, you're shut out?

It seems you actually answered to your own questions.
Though, even if I can totally understand your frustration, I still don't get why people still continue to post complains about how they re sad and not able to find/create a static with people of the same schedules as theirs... If you can't manage to get one, maybe it's because you don't have actually enough times to play hardcore-raids contents in a mmorpg? Then the answer is simple : don't? Because you can't o.o;; and find other motivations ingame.

And it's not even a matter of casual versus elite raiders people but more like a complain about the fact the guy don't have enough times to play and the fact that party finder sucks... But he still want to reach the Highest IG raid goals... And this thread got over 50 likes?... Woah. So basically, people who liked this, thinks that their subs is enough to get the perfect compromise over the hardest contents of the game and so, even if they have less than a couple of hours to play a week?

Duh. scob and fcob got created for a minority of players, that's the reason why it's only like 1-2% of the whole game contents, it's not meant for everyone.
People still don't understand that they can't have or do everything in a mmorpg, even though SE is making crazy efforts over patches to ease past contents on mechanics and adding echoes so even the lowest player can eventually clear it with some efforts over times.

To make it short : Please stop whining and enjoy the game at your own level.

[NyarukoW]

... Please stop whining and enjoy the game at your own level.

And you doing what? Whining about their whining? People have the freedom of speech. The forums are here for them to express their frustration and protest the unethical behavior of clear sellers. There is nothing wrong with that.

I may not agree with your position, but I certainly don't tell you that you can't voice your opinion.

[Ooshima]

It seems you actually answered to your own questions.
Though, even if I can totally understand your frustration, I still don't get why people still continue to post complains about how they re sad and not able to find/create a static with people of the same schedules as theirs... If you can't manage to get one, maybe it's because you don't have actually enough times to play hardcore-raids contents in a mmorpg? Then the answer is simple : don't? Because you can't o.o;; and find other motivations ingame.

And it's not even a matter of casual versus elite raiders people but more like a complain about the fact the guy don't have enough times to play and the fact that party finder sucks... But he still want to reach the Highest IG raid goals... And this thread got over 50 likes?... Woah. So basically, people who liked this, thinks that their subs is enough to get the perfect compromise over the hardest contents of the game and so, even if they have less than a couple of hours to play a week?

Duh. scob and fcob got created for a minority of players, that's the reason why it's only like 1-2% of the whole game contents, it's not meant for everyone.
People still don't understand that they can't have or do everything in a mmorpg, even though SE is making crazy efforts over patches to ease past contents on mechanics and adding echoes so even the lowest player can eventually clear it with some efforts over times.

To make it short : Please stop whining and enjoy the game at your own level.

This.

Not really a matter of whether you are god-like good or you suck. Whilst skill is important, "limited time" and "binding coil of bahamut" just don't come together.

[TheRogueX]

Whilst skill is important, "limited time" and "binding coil of bahamut" just don't come together.

And this is why there should never be any major story content in raids.

[Ellatrix]

And this is why there should never be any major story content in raids.

I think it's fine. Adds more motivation, and increases the reward. The FMV for clearing T12 is amazing.

Also, given the story content, it doesn't make much sense for someone who doesn't raid to be in them. You aren't striking down powerful foes doing level 5 fates.

[Exstal]

And this is why there should never be any major story content in raids.

I fully agree. Make end-game raids have low level, side quest content. So that people have no obligation (aside from completionists) to go there.

[AlexionSkylark]

To make it short : Please stop whining and enjoy the game at your own level.

OK, you totally missed my point.

I'll just state this here one more time, in case you have missed it on this long thread: I'm a veteran MMO player who has been raiding for several years now, having lead groups through most content of at least 2 other MMORPGs (LotRO and WoW). The difference being that my groups normally only had 1, 2 raid nights a week tops. Now, what I'm pointing up here is that this game has some differences from these other games:

1 - People fall into 2 categories: either they can commit 3+ nights a week on a static, or they won't commit at all. It's next to impossible to form a static that raids 1 night a week.
2 - Tanks are so rare to find, even more than in other games, enough so that they misteriously NEVER need to resort to PF to do content. That being said, a learning party for T6 will most likely NEVER, EVER, EVER find a tank that actually needs to learn the fight. If you tell me you know a tank that never cleared T6, I'll think you're lying.

Now, you may say "if you haven't got the time, raiding is not for you". Says WHO? I could always raid in other games, albeit progress would be slower, of course, because less hours per week. But it was POSSIBLE to raid and get SOME progress. So, what makes this game different from others?

Or, putting in a TL;DR version... "People can raid 1 night/week in other games, but in FFXIV they can't. Why? Clear sellers seem part of the problem, yes, but there are also other factors... Can we join in the think tank and pinpoint?

[NyarukoW]

...it's our time you're trying to claim.

Who is claiming whose time? The game is meant to be played together last I checked and wiping is part of the game too.

If they put a price on their time and someone is willing to pay it then it's non of your business what so ever.

It is the community we as players can build together, so it is all our business. Unethical behavior should be called out. The best way to beat the clear sellers is to help people get their clears without them. This is something the community can come together and achieve. And this is not telling people how to play the game, this advocating for people come together and help each other.

Having 98% of the player base being horrible at the game their playing is definitely a downfall.

Right now 98% haven't seen FCoB because they haven't been able to get a static to clear T9. Just like T5 was the gate and SCoB was inaccessible 6 months ago. Calling 98% of player base "horrible" does what exactly. People need the opportunity to learn and progress, and it can only be done with player being more open and more inclusive of other players. But instead we have ethically challenged folk who will turn blind eye and deaf ear to clear seller and at the same time treat newer players and newbies with contempt and disdain.

...Suuure, it's a conspiracy!!! ...

Says the so called raiders. Perhaps that is just cover people take when they are really clear sellers. But I won't equate the two and I certainly have stated there is no conspiracy. Fact remains there are ample evidence of clear sellers here, on this thread, taunting people and saying all sorts of crap. We would have to be naive to believe the that clear sellers don't have a rational reason to spread misinformation as to protect their interests.

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... playing and speculating on a virtual markets and then making profits over desperate sellers is a sort of "unethical behavior".

Just want is unethical about speculating on the markets? I don't manipulate, collude, or corner the market. I just search for opportunities where I risk my own assets. What do clear sellers risk? The clear is guaranteed right? Certainly NO risk there. I've lost gil when I guessed wrong, live and learn. What is so unethical about buy low sell high? I am sharing a tip that people can do to help them get gil and actually works against my interest because if they follow thru with it I get extra competition, and the flipping gets harder to do. What is so unethical about that? It is not like I am communist or something but ironic as it may be everyone knows about this famous communist, Deng, saying this: "致富光荣 -- To get rich is glorious!" And people can do this on the market board competing in a fair and open way, and there is no reason to hate the undercutters.

... view about end game is so inaccurate and full of hate-feelings ...

Inaccurate? I see clear sellers advertising on the PF every time I look up the PF for something. It is a fact of life. There is no hating toward raiders. I only encourage people to be more inclusive and bring more players into the fold. SE will make content more accessible over time, but player themselves can help content become more accessible also. If this bothers the conscience of those who want to turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the frustrations of others trying to form a static, then there is at least some hope that there can be progress. If those people choose to respond with hate and contempt towards newer players and newbies while gladly taking their gil, well, we are not going take that lying down. We will exercise our right to free speech and call them out.