The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[NyarukoW]

Honestly I'm not wanting anything out of it really.. I actually enjoy a lot of the fights. But I'm NOT going to go in and watch someone fail to move out of a landslide OVER. AND OVER. AND OVER. AND OVER. AND OVER....

And no one is asking you do to that. Do what you feel comfortable with. But if it is one too many wipes, it is perfectly fine to leave or vote abandon. Just DO not rage quit and cuss everyone else out on the way out. It is really not that hard to do. Sometimes people just need the reps to learn that, and some need more reps than others. Even if I already cleared and I have all the drops I wanted, I thank everyone for their help for practice even if we don't clear and I encourage everyone to keep at it.

... That is Square's fk up. They make it so anyone who isn't on the end of progression is better off going to their dungeons, getting the <insert top tier currency here> and buying gear off a merchant. Instead of going and farming coil 1-9....

That is SE being smart. They know that people have limited time and limited patience. Because as it stand too many players can't farm SCoB to start with because they couldn't get a static before 2.4. Heck even with statics, I know a static that been trying for at least the past 2 months and they still have NOT 1-shot T6 and only get the accidental T6 clears or die at 1% over and over. People need a way to move forward, and getting them stuck in catch-22, no static to farm SCoB, and must have cleared SCoB to be in a static. The breakthrough for the catch-22 can be possible by people being more inclusive.

[Zarzak]

That is SE being smart. They know that people have limited time and limited patience. Because as it stand too many players can't farm SCoB to start with because they couldn't get a static before 2.4. Heck even with statics, I know a static that been trying for at least the past 2 months and they still have NOT 1-shot T6 and only get the accidental T6 clears or die at 1% over and over. People need a way to move forward, and getting them stuck in catch-22, no static to farm SCoB, and must have cleared SCoB to be in a static. The breakthrough for the catch-22 can be possible by people being more inclusive.

I really don't think you're listening to yourself here.

Do you think any group is going to even CONSIDER someone who says "hey I'm in full poetic but can't beat turn 1" for a turn 10-13 group? FK NO.

The only thing making it part of progression would do is have skilled players willing to do it with you.

[NyarukoW]

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Do you think any group is going to even CONSIDER someone who says "hey I'm in full poetic but can't beat turn 1" for a turn 10-13 group? ...

It is NOT they can NOT, but rather they haven't had the reps to learn it and actually clear it. The fact that they have NOT yet, does NOT preclude them from doing so in the future. Give people the benefit of the doubt. That is being inclusive. BTW nobody is in full poetics yet, nor does gear level ever equate to skill level.

[RickXRolled]

It is NOT they can NOT, but rather they haven't had the reps to learn it and actually clear it. The fact that they have NOT yet, does NOT preclude them from doing so in the future. Give people the benefit of the doubt. That is being inclusive. BTW nobody is in full poetics yet, nor does gear level ever equate to skill level.

As Dr. Phil once said, never give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

[Risvertasashi]

As Dr. Phil once said, never give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

And thus we have the current endgame raiding scene. Must be geared, fast learner, be exactly on the turn we're on or further along, etc etc...

[Aana]

And thus we have the current endgame raiding scene. Must be geared, fast learner, be exactly on the turn we're on or further along, etc etc...

So what exactly is a raid group starting on say t10 right now supposed to do with a member that is under geared and not a fast learner exactly? Continue to fail gear checks (tank under geared dying, dps failing dps checks etc). Sit around wiping to the 1st mechanic for 3 weeks because they are a slow learner? If you are undergeared, you can fix that you self by farming up gear. If you are a slow learner there's nothing anyone but you can do about it. What exactly are you expecting the raid community to do about personal problems like this?

[Dwill]

And thus we have the current endgame raiding scene. Must be geared, fast learner, be exactly on the turn we're on or further along, etc etc...

Time is precious and nobody likes having their time wasted. That means that if I want a quick clear or someone to progress with, I'll choose the geared person that understand mechanics quick enough over the undergeared person who needs to dies to every mechanics 10+ times. Do you think people could have cleared T8 with undergeared DPS when the encounter has a very tight DPS check to meet ? Or tanks with ~6,000 HP getting destroyed by Nael on T9 ?

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Ghislain made a lot of other valid points, why don't you try to answer to those ?

[Risvertasashi]

So what exactly is a raid group starting on say t10 right now supposed to do with a member that is under geared and not a fast learner exactly? Continue to fail gear checks (tank under geared dying, dps failing dps checks etc). Sitaround wiping to the 1st mechanic for 3 weeks because they are a slow learner? If you are undergeared, you can fix that you self by farming up gear. If you are a slow learner there's nothing anyone but you can do about it. What exactly are you expecting the raid community to do about personal problems like this?

Time is precious and nobody likes having their time wasted. That means that if I want a quick clear or someone to progress with, I'll choose the geared person that understand mechanics quick enough over the undergeared person who needs to dies to every mechanics 10+ times. Do you think people could have cleared T8 with undergeared DPS when the encounter has a very tight DPS check to meet ? Or tanks with ~6,000 HP getting destroyed by Nael on T9 ?



Ghislain made a lot of other valid points, why don't you try to answer to those ?

Maybe, just maybe, there are some players out there stuck on T5 (because the groups doing it mostly suck) but are SCoB and FCoB capable.

They might have only just hit 50 and might not be decked out in poetics yet either. (Yeah OK it's a bit early, no one is yet, but you can bet that groups will expect you to be 115 or 120 in a few weeks).

Maybe they had to deal with RL for a bit and came to the patch late.

Not much of an issue for me--I have a social network of raiders. But, you know. I don't think that's a reason to give the middle finger to newcomers. Or as someone just pointed out, returning players.