The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Krr]

Footnote: Apparently people with open party finder ads for "Learning group" for 3+ hours on some of the most active servers in the game and shouting in Mor Dhona aren't trying to put themselves out there to find people. At all.

[Exstal]

If you don't want politics brought into the game or the thread, it's worth noting that statements on human nature are inherently political and have been the hotly contested subjects of philosophy, economics, and science alike all trying to influence the outcome of society and culture for generations before either of us were born.

Jussayin'.

I got banned for "discriminating against a group of people", it's a friendly warning to NyarukoW to watch what he says.

[Krr]

I got banned for "discriminating against a group of people", it's a friendly warning to NyarukoW to watch what he says.

That's a very threatening way of saying "don't say things I disagree with."

Thank you for being upfront about your dishonesty in the situation of bringing up politics in the thread, however. Obviously, you don't care about political statements on the forums or in our community that don't disagree with your own agenda.

[Exstal]

It's a very friendly way of saying, "don't say stupid things that attack any group of people, good or bad". But you can read it the way you want not like you'd read it any other way.

However, let's end this here. You and I will never agree on this and probably don't want this thread locked.

[Krr]

Regardless of your intent, attempting to publicize moderator decisions as a tool to influence what is or isn't said on the boards is, to my understanding, more harshly against the rules of the ToS than asking someone not to use misogynist statements and slurs, and considered extremely poor form that is essentially purposeful derailment.

It can easily be perceived as a threat, which is the fault of your writing, not my interpretation. As other people quoted in this thread, "Never give anyone the benefit of the doubt." It's your responsibility to write content that can't be perceived as discriminatory or threatening to others.

I don't care if the thread is or isn't locked. Nothing relevant has been added to the topic in over 5 pages that hasn't already been said.

Finally, if you think what somebody has written is inappropriate conduct on the forums, you may use the silent "report" feature and move on. The moderators very frequently do silent cleanup on threads for a reason and only speak when major changes to a discussion are made - because talking openly about administrative action on the forums is considered inappropriate.

Our thread of discussion for the past page will likely be cleaned up and deleted long before a lock occurs anyway. Both of us know this, being familiar with the moderator process on these boards.

[NyarukoW]

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Gordon: "but you're just 1 man."
Batman: "Now we're two"
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Guess what, both Batman and Gordon will gladly invite anyone that are honestly looking to help into their circle. They have an outlook that look to be inclusive, they even bent over backwards to protect a flawed character like Harvey Dent. Batman even gladly picks up the noob Robin John Blake.

But here in Eorzea, you have people looking to exclude people. They even have been as shameless as asking for the "no newbies wanted" checkbox on the PF. Bottom line there is this catch-22: how do you form connections with people that do NOT even want to give you the time of day? And stuff like SCoB, if the average player need 50 wipes to learn T7, and a quick learned needs 25, they will never even get the chance to do the reps to learn and show what they can do to contribute or make connections.

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The idea that endgamers are somehow restricting access is, bluntly, wrong. too obvious
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That is actually a fact that is very easy to see and very obvious. If they are nice about they all say they don't have the time, which you really can't fault them for too much, but I would encourage them make some time once in a while. If they are mean about it, they come call everyone else names, saying things like lazy, or do not take initiative, don't learn, don't listen, spoonfed etc. or worse, all of which is blatantly false for the vast majority of players. You only need to look in this thread to see all that false accusations. And it is well known that there are many FC's, not even statics, that insist on T9 clears. And then you have the clear sellers who are deliberately looking to proudly exploit the newer players and newbies while treating them with contempt and disdain.

[Tiggy]

Seriously? There isn't some conspiracy to exclude people. Your argument gets more ridiculous by the day. At this point it's turning into a discriminatory rant against a segment of the community you have personal issue with. Regardless if you're opinion is based on fact or fiction the way you're acting is quickly becoming offensive.

[NyarukoW]

Seriously? There isn't some conspiracy to exclude people. Your argument gets more ridiculous by the day.

I already said there is NO conspiracy, and there none required either. These are facts plain as day to see. People that don't want to help all say they don't have time at the very least. The PF is full of this stuff about clear experience require, no newbies wanted, sell clears, etc. Have to be blind not to see a signal as clear as that.

[Tiggy]

You don't have facts. You keep rewriting the narrative to fit your inane scenario regardless what anyone tries tell you. Just stop.

[NyarukoW]

You don't have facts. ... Just stop.

The facts never belonged to me in the first place, but facts are facts. What I observe and what the OP has observed and what many others have observed are facts and they are in agreement. If you don't like the facts, you do NOT get pretend it does NOT exist, and telling us to "just stop" so we can not exercise our freedom of speech to present simple things like the facts is a non starter.

If you want you can prove that a kinder gentler raiders exist by being more inclusive and open and look to take in newer players. And you can also try to prove that the kinder gentler raider are the more common than the ever present clear seller on the PF 24/7. But somehow that is not the reality.