The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Ellatrix]

You also continuously ignore the main method vets help newer players: posting guides so that they don't have to spend time doing things that don't work or figure out how something works.

Let me extract it for you.

Also no, a party that says only "need clear :3" is not someone who deserves to be carried to a clear just because they put up a PF. By that same logic, if I made a PF to farm T4 that said "all loot is locked to me for craft/desynth" I deserve to have 7 people be my slaves until such a time that I choose to disband the party.

[NyarukoW]

.. posting guides ...

I thank Mr. Happy for posting guides. Where are your guides? As far as I know Mr. Happy is doing all the work for you.

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.. "need clear :3" is not someone who deserves to be carried ..

So much false assumptions. Sure they need a clear, but that is does not equal need carry. Actually it means for those that also need a clear can join them and everyone benefits together. And they are in no ways looking for "7 people be my slaves until such a time that I choose to disband the party"

So "need clear" is no way equal or equivalent to "all loot is locked to me for craft/desynth".

[Zarzak]

Only thing keeping more casual players from getting into raiding is the design of MMO progression these days. EVERY SINGLE TIER group gear makes older raid content irrelevant.

If group gear was ilvl 80 groups would still be forming to progress through 1-5 because it would be worth while to do. Instead if your not doing turn 10 raiding is 100% pointless.

Take it up with the people who champion content designed like this if you want to get into raiding.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

don't pretend the problem does NOT exist nor you get to pretend that it is easy to solve.

I never said it's easy to solve. I said it's hard, since it requires people to actually man up and take things into their hands instead of waiting to be spoonfed.

Hard, but doable. Do it. Like all raiding statics and FCs did before you. ("you" as a general term. Not "you" specifically, as I do not know your specific situation).

[NyarukoW]

...actually man up and take things into their hands instead of waiting to be spoonfed.

"Man up"? Really misogynist term there now, as if there are no female players.

"Spoonfed"? The OP is not asking to be spoonfed nor are the majority of the players. Don't make these groundless false accusation.

...Hard, but doable. ...

Yep hard to find a static, hard to create a static, hard to build a static, and hard to manage/maintain a static. And only doable to the extent that people want to work together. So that is why I will always advocate that players be more inclusive and look to work together and help everyone. And if some them are expressing their frustration and the difficulty they are having, cut them some slack and give the benefit of the doubt that they are doing all they know or all they can to progress and that they are not asking to be "spoonfed". Empathize with them and not be dismissive of them.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

"Man up"? Really misogynist term there now, as if there are no female players.

Seriously? Ok, "woman up", then? Are you really debating about this, now?

Yep hard to find a static, hard to create a static, hard to build a static, and hard to manage/maintain a static. And only doable to the extent that people want to work together. So that is why I will always advocate that players be more inclusive and look to work together and help everyone.

And what exactly does "being more inclusive" and "work together and help everyone" means, in practical terms, exactly?

[Exstal]

Just report discrimination/harassment and move on. Don't bring your political ideology onto this forum, we have enough of it in the real world.

[Aana]

Look, those who are struggling have asked what to do. Those who have successfully completed this content have explained what they did to become successful and recommended those struggling to do the same. (take the initiative, put in the effort, make a group yourself, don't passively wait for it to happen etc). The response from the unsuccessful has been largely "that's not good enough. YOU need to come help me" (you being raiders/endgamers that know these fights) on the principle of empathy or some such.

you don't like the answer, then go find your own solution. Trouble is finding your own way takes initiative and effort. The exact prescription that is apparently so hard to swallow. Don't act as though successful raiders don't understand. No one is born a successful endgame player. We all started fresh newbies sometime somewhere without any connections or skill. It may be this game 4 months ago or it may be EQ 20 years ago. We all did exactly what we are advocating at some point. That is how we got to where we are.

Those who have done it have told you how they did it so you can help yourself do the same. If that isn't good enough for you then there's nothing else to discuss. Follow the well trodden path or go blaze your own.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Look, those who are struggling have asked what to do. Those who have successfully completed this content have explained what they did to become successful and recommended those struggling to do the same. (take the initiative, put in the effort, make a group yourself, don't passively wait for it to happen etc). The response from the unsuccessful has been largely "that's not good enough. YOU need to come help me" (you being raiders/endgamers that know these fights) on the principle of empathy or some such.

you don't like the answer, then go find your own solution. Trouble is finding your own way takes initiative and effort. The exact prescription that is apparently so hard to swallow. Don't act as though successful raiders don't understand. No one is born a successful endgame player. We all started fresh newbies sometime somewhere without any connections or skill. It may be this game 4 months ago or it may be EQ 20 years ago. We all did exactly what we are advocating at some point. That is how we got to where we are.

Those who have done it have told you how they did it so you can help yourself do the same. If that isn't good enough for you then there's nothing else to discuss. Follow the well trodden path or go blaze your own

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I don't think there's anything more to say than this.

[Zarzak]

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That is how men are treated this days. Don't even try to deny it.

I'm fully willing and able to help kill T5. If the people are COMPETENT. But all we see day in and day out on these forums are people crying because divebombs or conflags or whatever else are too hard. If you just can't fill a group and your on Couerl. Tell me what u need (heal, tank, dps) and I'll do it. If you can't beat it because your incapable of following a simple simon says mechanic... You are beyond any competent players help and are asking for a carry.