It's official Parsers are illegal in FFXIV

[Gormogon]

its your method, its your theory,

I'm not the one defending parsers and number crunching so please do enlighten me. Show me the math and show me the numbers that prove that I am just speculating.

theorycrafters know this and strive seek answers, even if the differences are miniscule.

For the most part you answered your own question and proved why this parser thing is getting blown way out of proportion.

I've already said that it's a decent tool but it seems I have to continue pointing out the part where those obsessing and being overly reliant on it are not doing themselves and said tools a favor.

[raelgun]

you were able to take the time to write up a theory in what you think is best, which any one can do in general, it is speculations til proven, everything regarding information is done like this, also had a feeling you were going to ask this. again not my theory, your the one with the full fledge knowledge in your head, its your control parameters not mine. Give us something to analyse with your settings in action, we are happy to be proven wrong.

[Gormogon]

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If you think that's a theory thanks for the compliment then.

[Skull_Angel]

For the most part you answered your own question and proved why this parser thing is getting blown way out of proportion.

I've already said that it's a decent tool but it seems I have to continue pointing out the part where those obsessing and being overly reliant on it are not doing themselves and said tools a favor.

This isn't aimed at parser programs in general, but the differences aren't always miniscule. One instance where this is blatantly apparent is DRG optimal rotations, where one rotation can be worth hundreds of damage more than another dependent upon the point at which the enemy stops taking all damage (dies).

[ItzKris]

How do you know how much accuracy is required for any given instance? Is the TP cost of a certain move worth it's potential damage output, and within what time frame(s) is it viable or not? Which ability rotation grants higher output and in what instance?

Most can be answered by compiling the log data, but it requires additional time (the amount of which varying with desired answer). There are many cases where one instance appears to be optimal, but another has a greater effect; theorycrafters know this and strive seek answers, even if the differences are miniscule.

It can all be determine manually, takes longer, but is not against the rules.
To know the accuracy, keep running it, if you miss add more accuracy.
To determine if the TP cost is worth the damage output, time the damage you do in said boss over a given time. Then time using new skill. Whichever does more damage is the most viable one.
To me it seems like some people have been spoiled by parsers and now refuse to do the math on their own. Its doable and not against the rules (because you wont go around measuring other's dps)

[Dhex]

It can all be determine manually, takes longer, but is not against the rules.
To know the accuracy, keep running it, if you miss add more accuracy.
To determine if the TP cost is worth the damage output, time the damage you do in said boss over a given time. Then time using new skill. Whichever does more damage is the most viable one.

That's parsing!

parse
verb
gerund or present participle: parsing
1. -analyze into its parts and describe their syntactic roles.


Das illegal! How dare you!

[ItzKris]

That's parsing!

parse
verb
gerund or present participle: parsing
1. -analyze into its parts and describe their syntactic roles.


Das illegal! How dare you!

SE Stance:Using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game.
Through manual testing there is no use of parsers(defined as a program for parsing), or third-party programs. And it can normally be done in game through training dummies.
Parsing is not against the rules if not done by a program (parsers).
Under manual parsing you'd be crazy to parse others, and can still parse yourself and better yourself.
That is what I think SE wants people to do, have access to their own damage but not to go around checking others (which may be why they dont add iLvl to examine).

[Dhex]

Using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game.
No use of Parsers(defined as a program for parsing), or third-party programs. It can normally be done in game through testing dummies.
Point invalid.

I can do math and watch HP bars, buffs, and Enmity meters in game. I can already observe when mechanics outpace healing, or DPS. I can time and count in my head the gaps between abilities.

Your brain is a "parser" that should doing all those things (if you're actually playing).

A parser doesn't conduct actions for you; it just presents you with more easily interpreted data.

[ItzKris]

I can do math and watch HP bars, buffs, and Enmity meters in game. I can already observe when mechanics outpace healing, or DPS. I can time and count in my head the gaps between abilities.

Your brain is a "parser" that should doing all those things (if you're actually playing).

A parser doesn't conduct actions for you; it just presents you with more easily interpreted data.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Define+parsers
A brain is not a parser...

[Quesse]

What a bunch of FUD this thread is.

Its completely obvious that the point is some Parsers might have other functions besides simply parsing and using them to "conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game" is prohibited.

How clearer could it be. Simply parsing is fine, using a parser to conduct an action is not.