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    Quote Originally Posted by ItzKris View Post
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Define+parsers
    A brain is not a parser...
    Parse, observe, analyze, process, interpret - semantics. Your brain performs all the same functions when you play a game - a parser just interprets/observes/analyzes/processes data and re-presents it to you in a fashion that is more useful or more understandable.

    If you've got a program automatically executing commands it's not a parser anymore it's a bot. It's replacing the brain and body behind the keyboard/controller.

    A parser as defined by most games they've been used in present reinterpreted data to the user - nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhex View Post
    Parse, observe, analyze, process, interpret - semantics. Your brain performs all the same functions when you play a game - a parser just interprets/observes/analyzes/processes data and re-presents it to you in a fashion that is more useful or more understandable.

    If you've got a program automatically executing commands it's not a parser anymore it's a bot. It's replacing the brain and body behind the keyboard/controller.

    A parser as defined by most games they've been used in present reinterpreted data to the user - nothing more.
    Your confusing PARSING and PARSER
    Parsing is what you mentioned in bold.
    A Parser is only defined as a computer program that parses.
    Make sure your looking under parser and not parsing, as they are very different.
    SE is against Parsers(the programs) and not Parsing(what the program does).
    Id like to add that I think its quite obvious they are only against programs.
    Using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game.
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    Last edited by ItzKris; 04-06-2014 at 04:56 AM.

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    I think my favorite part has been the guy who said that a monk stacking skill speed will never run out of TP in a fight because they have invigorate. Easily the funniest and most horrifying thing that's been said here.
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    And my argument is that a PARSER doesn't do anything but PARSING. Which is what your brain has to be doing to even play.

    All a parser does is put the data we already interpret with our eyes and our brain into a simple numerical representation.

    It just removes the "ball park" estimation our brains use to compensate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post

    I've already said that it's a decent tool but it seems I have to continue pointing out the part where those obsessing and being overly reliant on it are not doing themselves and said tools a favor.
    Who cares? I don't care if someone types in chat the dps numbers. Oh wait I've been playing since release and it's never happened and even if some1 did and I was dead last on dps wouldn't give a damn.

    People can't have nice things because they might upset one of the cry babies who might quit the game .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhex View Post
    And my argument is that a PARSER doesn't do anything but PARSING. Which is what your brain has to be doing to even play.

    All a parser does is put the data we already interpret with our eyes and our brain into a simple numerical representation.

    It just removes the "ball park" estimation our brains use to compensate.
    Parsers also allow you to see what damage other people have done, which is not what they want (so there is less conflict within parties).
    That is why they don't allow parsers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItzKris View Post
    It can all be determine manually, takes longer, but is not against the rules.
    To know the accuracy, keep running it, if you miss add more accuracy.
    To determine if the TP cost is worth the damage output, time the damage you do in said boss over a given time. Then time using new skill. Whichever does more damage is the most viable one.
    To me it seems like some people have been spoiled by parsers and now refuse to do the math on their own. Its doable and not against the rules (because you wont go around measuring other's dps)
    I've already stated that the data can be compiled manually and even made a nice comparison of why you would want to automate it if possible. Time is what I'm arguing, and not everyone has an abundance of it to want to devote it to gathering data and checking it for accuracy; sure it can be called lazy, but (just like my example) having an automated way of doing so saves a large abundance of time.

    edit; Accidentally edited out the part about "doing the math". It doesn't take long to plug in the numbers when they've been gathered, no one is genuinely bothered by that, it's gathering accurate data to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull_Angel View Post
    I've already stated that the data can be compiled manually and even made a nice comparison of why you would want to automate it if possible. Time is what I'm arguing, and not everyone has an abundance of it to want to devote it to gathering data and checking it for accuracy; sure it can be called lazy, but (just like my example) having an automated way of doing so saves a large abundance of time.
    I've argued that people rushing are creating a toxic environment and your statement is proving it.

    I know people want to rush but they are letting that get them best of them and making it worse for others. At that point parsers are only encouraging a behavior pattern that's only serving to create a toxic environment.
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    Once again, like i posted in other similar threads :3
    If SE just doesn't want parsers to be used in their game then by all means that should be a good enough reason.
    Its their game, their rules.
    Everything they ask of us should be absolute with no questions asked.
    Please lock this thread, there is nothing left more to ponder on.
    ( they already locked the other ones btw.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esmian View Post
    I think my favorite part has been the guy who said that a monk stacking skill speed will never run out of TP in a fight because they have invigorate. Easily the funniest and most horrifying thing that's been said here.
    That's sort of why I proposed the question to him, but yeah. I don't have an issue, as I said, with people who dislike or don't use parsers. I do take issue with him attacking people who are NOT forcing it upon others. And clearly not doing it at that. It's the attacking part that brought me here, nothing more.
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