It's official Parsers are illegal in FFXIV

[Gormogon]

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1.) Switch to monk. Cast arm of the destroy look at the downtime. That's how. No math needed.
2.) Attacking more means more damage per minute and a better uptime on those buffs you get from monk.
3.) I ain't insulting I'm just saying that this reliance on math is unnecessary. You've done nothing to prove otherwise. Especially when you bring up math and stats and other things to the discussion and you aren't even taking it seriously. So if you find that "insulting" then by all means feel insulted. In page 24 you said it was incorrect. So please do enlighten me.
4.) I'm not insulting people that desire to use a tool. I'm telling people that are reliant on a tool that they are over looking more important factors and are becoming to petty due to that negligence.
5.) Yes I don't look at the game the same way they do. Since for me a game is a means to have fun not create a toxic environment where everyone has to meet numerical values.
6.) I know what I said and I know why I said skill speed. Both forms have means of increasing their overall damage from abilities, food, and potions.
7.) You can't TP starve yourself as a monk since monks have access to invigorate. Only way they would ever run out of TP is if they spam AotD or don't invigorate every time they reach 600TP.
8.) Crit is a nice stat but because of how monks are designed they are better built as high sustain damage dealers than burst damage dealers and the only way to achieve that is through focus on speed and damage. That doesn't mean crit is undesirable for monk but it's low on the list of stat priorities.
9.) I looked at the information in this game to figure this out. I didn't do testing and without much diversity alternatives are limited.

Theory crafting and number crunching is a necessity in other MMO's due to their diversity. Yet in a MMO like FFXIV it ain't. All people need in FFXIV is to understand their rotations for single and multiple targets since the option in diversity and gear is too limited.

While not everyone with parsers are doing it. Those that do are pushing this toxic environment. People that don't even raid are rushing to over gear content that can't be cleared by those means. By demanding individuals to have certain ilvl, parse certain numbers, and then further pushing that envelope by complaining that their run took 2minutes longer than their previous run because of difference of party structure, skill difference, or someone not having certain gear requirements to make said runs be as fast as their previous. A 2 minute difference and vocal number crunchers go ballistic.

I don't mind people using these tools but they aren't keeping it to themselves. Making it bad for others and themselves is not in everyone's interest.

[Diadumenos]

Still a little fuzzy as to why its the parsing program that is against SUE when 99% of the problem is the player being a dick...

[raelgun]

1.) Switch to monk. Cast arm of the destroy look at the downtime. That's how. No math needed.
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how can you PROVE this does high numbers, your merely speculating, evidence is needed, you dont go to court with just mere speculations, something hardline is needed, which what a parser does. you can continue to type what you say, theres nothing wrong in doing so, but we all will only see it as mere speculation with nothing of hard evidence that its the best way to go about doing it.

[rockso]

should probably remove the dummies from the game then. Because whats the point of them?

[MrSigy]

A sad day for raiders.

[Raenryong]

Whether you like it or not, Gormogon, RPGs are based purely on numerics. The battle system is a mathematical equation. Values go in, output comes out. When one has a good enough knowledge of the battle formula (or a powerful enough mathematical model), one is able to assess the impact of increasing specific parameters - in this case, Skill Speed, Determination and Critical Hit Rate for instance. There is a mathematically correct answer to all of these, just as there is a mathematically correct answer of how to play.

I also don't see why asking for a specific amount of DPS is a bad thing. Why is scrutiny on DPS output frowned upon? If I turn up to tank your EX Primal or something with 4k HP, I'm pretty sure I'd be getting the boot, and rightly so. But asking the same treatment for a subpar DPS is somehow being toxic? Bringing down seven other people is inconsiderate and if you are noticeably dragging a party down whether through bad performance, lag issues, or whatever, you should bow out as a mark of respect to others around you. If your DPS is inadequate, you should work on improving it. The vast majority of your output is playing skill and not gear anyway - gear only amplifies a good player. A bad player in good gear is still low DPS. Healers and tanks have accountability - DPS should also have accountability.

Now, I will add the caveat that if somebody starts pushing this on a duty finder group, then yes - that is too far. However, if you join a party finder group which is openly advertising that its intentions are serious and that it expects certain values of dps, or certain party compositions etc, then you have no right to complain about it. If you don't like it, just don't join it. So many more casual players argue that everyone should be allowed to play as they choose, but then complain vehemently about those who choose to play in a more hardcore way than themselves, or demand certain levels of performance.

[bokchoykn]

Experience is more reliable than math.

Experience + Math > Experience + No math. I don't even how you can even argue that analysis of numerical data isn't extremely valuable in a very mathematical game.

[Richiealvian]

Heh, I am for their stance on how it's "use it discretely". I think everyone calling out bad dps abusively deserves a ban. (Well, not ones that are like "Hey, your dps sucks. Would you mind listening to an advice or could you tell me what your rotation is?" <- this is constructive) And that is only available if a parser is being used. I don't play dps though, I main healer and have tank as a sub.. but I think I know that some people would be jerks just for the sake of being jerks.. Now, we can put the blame on irresponsible people that uses parsers badly and I think until people stop using it for the wrong reasons it shouldn't even be allowed in the first place. If you want to improve yourself or the team, use it, but don't be a dick about it. I think even SE wouldn't do crap to you unless you're being dicks about other people.

[Raenryong]

Also, with respect to the whole "experience beats all things", I shall use one of my favourite quotes; "the plural of anecdote is not data".

[ItzKris]

Experience + Math > Experience + No math. I don't even how you can even argue that analysis of numerical data isn't extremely valuable in a very mathematical game.

Do the math by hand if your so determined. You can do it. There's a log stating how much damage you did. Give yourself a set time to determine your dps/dpm.