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  1. #9561
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if one day they gave us 2nd charge of swiftcast because apparently having to hardcast raise is somehow a bane to their existence.
    Honestly, a 2nd charge of Swiftcast would probably improve the PF experience, most healers seem to be allergic to casting a spell that takes longer than 3 seconds. I've seen a fair share of parties wipe because both healers decide that it's more important to spam their fillers for 26 seconds and then wipe to the incoming body check rather than spend 8 out of those 26 entirely free seconds to raise the one dead person.

    Regarding the caster raises though, the only offensive thing I find about it is when they choose to lose damage to raise when it's the first death in the fight and both healers still have Swiftcast up. Always let the healers raise first unless it's one/both healer(s) that died.
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  2. #9562
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    Flay_wind's Avatar
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    Lily D'kryl
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    Shiva
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    Dark Knight Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Regarding the caster raises though, the only offensive thing I find about it is when they choose to lose damage to raise when it's the first death in the fight and both healers still have Swiftcast up. Always let the healers raise first unless it's one/both healer(s) that died.
    It's kinda weird. I've met quite a few healers in the past that refused to raise, when i was on RDM, because somehow that's "my" job.
    When a) it costs me a GCD, b) costs me mana gain and c) it's still a non trivial chunk of MP.
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    Sometimes rumors are just... rumors.

  3. #9563
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    Zeastria's Avatar
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    Nathaniel Lenox
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    Twintania
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Flay_wind View Post
    It's kinda weird. I've met quite a few healers in the past that refused to raise, when i was on RDM, because somehow that's "my" job.
    When a) it costs me a GCD, b) costs me mana gain and c) it's still a non trivial chunk of MP.
    Friend of mine had co-healer in savage prog(pf), who refuced to use global-heals/heal cds/ress because it was dps los...x.x
    (Apparently some healers think that their "dps" matters more , than actual dps)
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    SCH/AST/DNC/VPR/SMN

  4. #9564
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Well we didn't get much. All we know is that blm are getting 2 stacks of leylines. Everything else we are getting with the full patch notes in the monday before hand.

    Edit: One more thing, appartently, they are doing some changes to the mp of the healers.
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    Last edited by Maltothoris; 11-01-2024 at 11:25 PM.

  5. #9565
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    OliviaLugria's Avatar
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    Olivia Lugria
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    Sargatanas
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Well we didn't get much. All we know is that blm are getting 2 stacks of leylines. Everything else we are getting with the full patch notes in the monday before hand.

    Edit: One more thing, appartently, they are doing some changes to the mp of the healers.
    Changes to mp? They're really listening to us now >.>
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  6. #9566
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    No dedicated section for info on job changes on the live letter, we'll learn about how Healers get no changes when the patch notes arrive.
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  7. #9567
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    Kes13a's Avatar
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Well we didn't get much. All we know is that blm are getting 2 stacks of leylines. Everything else we are getting with the full patch notes in the monday before hand.

    Edit: One more thing, appartently, they are doing some changes to the mp of the healers.
    I am not exactly shocked or amazed. I thought the radio silence for so long meant my radio was defective, so I changed the station. the radio works just fine.... its the station thats broken
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  8. #9568
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Mayve they will finally address why Cure 2 is more expensive than medica 1 and on par with the cost of medica 2.
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  9. #9569
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Mayve they will finally address why Cure 2 is more expensive than medica 1 and on par with the cost of medica 2.
    I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this lol.

    Took them years to figure that out XD
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  10. #9570
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Mayve they will finally address why Cure 2 is more expensive than medica 1 and on par with the cost of medica 2.
    And somehow heals for less than Medica 2, even in single target situations (with the level 85 trait, C2 is 800p, Medica 2 is 1000p). Medica 3 makes the difference even bigger. The same potencies apply to AST too, because of course it makes sense to copy paste the potencies 1:1 between the two pure healers, such that their GCD healing kits are identical (and therefore when one has a stupid design element like this, both end up with it)

    As for the overall topic of 'MP changes to healers', they're probably best off starting with addressing 'Piety sucks outside of prog'. There's always been a massive dissonance in messaging between 'healers NEED to deal damage to meet DPS checks in challenge content like Savage' and 'actually we want healers to feel like they're not forced to deal damage because their role is 'to heal'', and nothing makes that dissonace more evident than the fact that Tenacity (a non-DPS stat) grants bonus damage, yet Piety (also a non-DPS stat) does not. If Piety actually granted damage like Tenacity does (even at the same rate as Tenacity, where Det is 'better), we'd have the situation Tanks have with gearing, 'avoid Tenacity if you can, but if you have to take it then just take it', instead of what we have now for Healers, where the rule seems to be 'avoid Piety at all costs, even if it means swapping a 730 ring out for a 710 Crafted Ring with pentamelds'
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