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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    Because Healers are still boring as hell to play and the Dev team is incompetent.
    Why do you need Healer to be " fun" when all you do is sit in limsa most of the time?

    Also, speak for yourself, lol.

    So, is it a wise move on Square's part to not make any effort to ensure a significant portion of that player base are enjoying their role in regular content?
    I am all for casual dungeons/ally raids where a misstep will cause a party/alliance wipe, getting stuck having to do multiple attempts/pulls to clear, and having healer check raidwides, just be careful what you wish for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Why do you need Healer to be " fun" when all you do is sit in limsa most of the time?

    Also, speak for yourself, lol.


    I am all for casual dungeons/ally raids where a misstep will cause a party/alliance wipe, getting stuck having to do multiple attempts/pulls to clear, and having healer check raidwides, just be careful what you wish for.
    The just complete lack of nuance is mind boggling

    Like you do understand there is a middle ground between “whatever the hell you call modern healers” and “the party is a statue of glass being held together by the poor healer who has to be pixel perfect”

    Is it so much to ask for class design that doesn’t look like it’s designed by Cookie clicker addicts
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The just complete lack of nuance is mind boggling

    Like you do understand there is a middle ground between “whatever the hell you call modern healers” and “the party is a statue of glass being held together by the poor healer who has to be pixel perfect”

    Is it so much to ask for class design that doesn’t look like it’s designed by Cookie clicker addicts
    But how do you make an encounter to push you to use your class to your fullest if everything hits like a wet noodle. Shrug..lol. Healers do exactly that: heal. If there is not enough damage incoming and enough punishing mechanics, you cannot use your rotation fully, it's not rocket science to understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altina_Orion View Post
    Is this still a thing? Why?
    Realistically because all the original complaints about non engaging healer gameplay still remain unchanged. That and I agree that you shouldn't have to run an ultimate to feel like your class has any weight to the party. Like don't get me wrong I play wow. An overgeared tank makes healers not have to do literally any healing in that game too. But at least in wow I have an engaging enough dps toolkit to vibe on during the fights. We even have classes like discipline priest which just have a dps rotation and heal based off the damage we deal. The game could benefit from fewer shorter cd ogcd heals and more of an actual dps presence so people weren't bored out of their mind spamming 1 while the tank does everything.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altina_Orion View Post
    Is this still a thing? Why?
    Because the developers haven't acknowledged or addressed the issues and will probably just continue making them worse, because their solution to tanks having too much heals and healers being too weak is buff tanks and give tanks more heals.
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    People always seem to miss with “go play high end content” that enjoying the act of doing an encounter is split into two parts

    1) the encounter itself
    2) the job you play

    “lol go play savage” does nothing to fix the former it basically just says you can kinda mask it with the latter. Playing a healer in savage isn’t making the healer design shine, it’s hiding the fact that healers are barely functional messes behind the encounter design
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by klu View Post
    Welp. This was about what i expected.

    A month and this thread fell off the front page multiple times, and was bumped back by a small handful of people who are unwilling to accept that whining into the vacuum isn't working.
    Oh, you mean like all threads will eventually fell off the front page and need to be bumped? It happened to hroth-viera headgear thread. It also happens to unlock glam thread, which I believe is the most supported common cause and yet the devs still ignore it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozh View Post
    Oh, you mean like all threads will eventually fell off the front page and need to be bumped? It happened to hroth-viera headgear thread. It also happens to unlock glam thread, which I believe is the most supported common cause and yet the devs still ignore it.
    I wouldnt even bother with that poster, literally nobody else cares about the number of threads on any specific topic. The front page gets taken up by forked tower because that's just the hot topic right now. When that dies down, the evergreen topics will move up again. In short: a completely normal forum progression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao
    Quote Originally Posted by os12ispeak View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altina_Orion View Post
    Is this still a thing? Why?
    Because this is an mmo forum, and therefore whining must take precedence.

    BLUF: This thread is here for narcissists.

    To be more specific, the uhh... "zeitgeist" around healing has been shifting in the last few years. Folks click on the class that heals the other classes, and dont want to heal. They want to DPS. Its a little baffling honestly, but thats where we're at.

    To be even more granular about why this topic is "still a thing"... it really isn't. No really, it isn't. I have never had a hard time getting queues to pop as any of the three roles. There is no "strike".

    People are unhappy with how healer plays, I can see that. This thread however, and it's ancillary clones are an attempt by a small group of people to vent their frustrations and pretend that Asian game developers are really tuned into what they, specifically think.

    Its a catch 22 thread. If the devs change things, every dude in this thread will assume it's because of the thread, and specifically because they rode the thread. They'll consider themselves some kind of e-folk here.
    If the devs don't change things, then they'll consider themselves eternal "fighters" in the "war" of the "strike".
    (Which again, isn't happening.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    But how do you make an encounter to push you to use your class to your fullest if everything hits like a wet noodle. Shrug..lol. Healers do exactly that: heal. If there is not enough damage incoming and enough punishing mechanics, you cannot use your rotation fully, it's not rocket science to understand that.
    rather easily actually give trash mons mechanic is step number one I don't say to give them a on shot but something to make them hard point not critirion way tho xx) well atleast with Wall to Wall pulls. Bosses just need more random moves and stop teaching first and just go full punish instantly.


    to me if you have reach DT you should be knowing what you are doing.
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