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  1. #8561
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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I'll be blunt here. There is absolutely no way they can do this.

    If someone plays a tank, they're probably looking to be a leader, a protector, there's no way to entice them to play a squishy job that supports people. Same for DPS, they probably want big numbers and low responsibility, there's no way to make them pick up a healer.

    If they really want to boost healer numbers back up, they should start catering to people who want to play healer, not rework the entire role to try and lure people who aren't interested in healing.
    People care more about gameplay loop than role fantasy. Its not like all DPS players like all DPS jobs equally.

    Healer gameplay loop sucks and they have only one.

    My primary experience with the other jobs atm is via leveling them. And healers without a doubt are ultra boring when spamming Aglaia. Knowing that this glare spam is the healer optimization endgame does not make one keen in playing them.
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  2. #8562
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    BoneAppleTea's Avatar
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    Imp'ress Typrop
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    Maduin
    Main Class
    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    They cannot heal stupid and backflipping/stepping dragoons/redmages/reapers that go over the edge with it just because they received a AoE marker.

    Or players running away from everyone else with the stack marker.
    I can't speak on the matter of motion actions like backflipping as im unsure if it works for that. However using rescue on people with stack markers who run away from everyone is hilarious. I've done this a couple of times and luckily i think the person understood "hey stand here!" but lol
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  3. #8563
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    Benjo's Avatar
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    Character
    Gosetsu Daito
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100


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  4. #8564
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    ovIm's Avatar
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    Vim Mercer
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    Alpha
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    People care more about gameplay loop than role fantasy.
    This right here. Gameplay is what we mostly engage in when playing a class, and a solid fun gameplay loops can make even boring or tedious fights kinda enjoyable.
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    So long, and thanks for all the fish.

    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

  5. #8565
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    People care more about gameplay loop than role fantasy. Its not like all DPS players like all DPS jobs equally.

    Healer gameplay loop sucks and they have only one.

    My primary experience with the other jobs atm is via leveling them. And healers without a doubt are ultra boring when spamming Aglaia. Knowing that this glare spam is the healer optimization endgame does not make one keen in playing them.
    I'm not talking about role fantasy, I'm talking about player preference.

    If a player prefers to lead, they won't play a healer. If a player prefers low responsibility, they won't play a healer.

    There's nothing they can ever do to the healer role to make these types of players play a healer.
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    Last edited by Aravell; 08-17-2024 at 12:46 AM.

  6. #8566
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    They cannot heal stupid and backflipping/stepping dragoons/redmages/reapers that go over the edge with it just because they received a AoE marker.

    Or players running away from everyone else with the stack marker.
    I do suppose we can't protect people from themselves.
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  7. #8567
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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I'm not talking about role fantasy, I'm talking about player preference.

    If a player prefers to lead, they won't play a healer. If a player prefers low responsibility, they won't play a healer.

    There's nothing they can ever do to the healer role to make these types of players play a healer.
    Players change roles all the time. Both my static healers were melee DPS before.

    And while I play tank now I could not care less about any leading, I only do so for current content because I only want to farm content once and with tanks I can use it for 4 jobs potentially.
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  8. #8568
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Read the comments in the linked thread, JP is complaining that healing is too hard.

    What Yoshi-P is supposed to do in such situation and with such feedback?

    I feel like there are fundamental differences of what people want from the role that cannot be easily reconciled.
    Complaints are both that parties don't want to deal with shit healers and healers don't want to deal with shit parties. There's another also claiming all the good ones get recruited into statics. Seems there's a notable shortage of physranged in some DCs right now as well.

    Probably not a coincidence the JP SCH thread is discussing removing Energy Drain again, considering.
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  9. #8569
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    MisterNublet's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Autechre Voidmoon
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    Complaints are both that parties don't want to deal with shit healers and healers don't want to deal with shit parties. There's another also claiming all the good ones get recruited into statics. Seems there's a notable shortage of physranged in some DCs right now as well.

    Probably not a coincidence the JP SCH thread is discussing removing Energy Drain again, considering.
    Wish we could tell the JP base that maybe they're not as good as they think they are, and that maybe they should learn how to play instead of trying to turn this game in to an Idle/AFK mobile game.
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  10. #8570
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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    Wish we could tell the JP base that maybe they're not as good as they think they are, and that maybe they should learn how to play instead of trying to turn this game in to an Idle/AFK mobile game.
    Higher % of players in JP play savage, which means higher % of casual players try and engage with this content.
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