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  1. #1
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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Not really, the solution to the latter problem can also be to kick and blacklist the ones not up to snuff.
    But this does not help with healer shortage.

    Either role should be such that a sprout can pick it up and perform well

    or

    dps/tank player would be incentivized to switch.

    For the latter no way around it, healer role must be made more diverse as right now its only one playstyle and if you don't like it you only play healer for social reasons.
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Either role should be such that a sprout can pick it up and perform well
    This is exactly how we got here in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    dps/tank player would be incentivized to switch
    I'll be blunt here. There is absolutely no way they can do this.

    If someone plays a tank, they're probably looking to be a leader, a protector, there's no way to entice them to play a squishy job that supports people. Same for DPS, they probably want big numbers and low responsibility, there's no way to make them pick up a healer.

    If they really want to boost healer numbers back up, they should start catering to people who want to play healer, not rework the entire role to try and lure people who aren't interested in healing.
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    they're probably looking to be a leader, a protector
    Unironically, Healers if they were well designed would fit that particular role better... Their entire job is supposed to protect everyone and keep them alive...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    Unironically, Healers if they were well designed would fit that particular role better... Their entire job is supposed to protect everyone and keep them alive...
    They cannot heal stupid and backflipping/stepping dragoons/redmages/reapers that go over the edge with it just because they received a AoE marker.

    Or players running away from everyone else with the stack marker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    They cannot heal stupid and backflipping/stepping dragoons/redmages/reapers that go over the edge with it just because they received a AoE marker.

    Or players running away from everyone else with the stack marker.
    I can't speak on the matter of motion actions like backflipping as im unsure if it works for that. However using rescue on people with stack markers who run away from everyone is hilarious. I've done this a couple of times and luckily i think the person understood "hey stand here!" but lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    They cannot heal stupid and backflipping/stepping dragoons/redmages/reapers that go over the edge with it just because they received a AoE marker.

    Or players running away from everyone else with the stack marker.
    I do suppose we can't protect people from themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I'll be blunt here. There is absolutely no way they can do this.

    If someone plays a tank, they're probably looking to be a leader, a protector, there's no way to entice them to play a squishy job that supports people. Same for DPS, they probably want big numbers and low responsibility, there's no way to make them pick up a healer.

    If they really want to boost healer numbers back up, they should start catering to people who want to play healer, not rework the entire role to try and lure people who aren't interested in healing.
    People care more about gameplay loop than role fantasy. Its not like all DPS players like all DPS jobs equally.

    Healer gameplay loop sucks and they have only one.

    My primary experience with the other jobs atm is via leveling them. And healers without a doubt are ultra boring when spamming Aglaia. Knowing that this glare spam is the healer optimization endgame does not make one keen in playing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    People care more about gameplay loop than role fantasy.
    This right here. Gameplay is what we mostly engage in when playing a class, and a solid fun gameplay loops can make even boring or tedious fights kinda enjoyable.
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    People care more about gameplay loop than role fantasy. Its not like all DPS players like all DPS jobs equally.

    Healer gameplay loop sucks and they have only one.

    My primary experience with the other jobs atm is via leveling them. And healers without a doubt are ultra boring when spamming Aglaia. Knowing that this glare spam is the healer optimization endgame does not make one keen in playing them.
    I'm not talking about role fantasy, I'm talking about player preference.

    If a player prefers to lead, they won't play a healer. If a player prefers low responsibility, they won't play a healer.

    There's nothing they can ever do to the healer role to make these types of players play a healer.
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    Last edited by Aravell; 08-17-2024 at 12:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I'm not talking about role fantasy, I'm talking about player preference.

    If a player prefers to lead, they won't play a healer. If a player prefers low responsibility, they won't play a healer.

    There's nothing they can ever do to the healer role to make these types of players play a healer.
    Players change roles all the time. Both my static healers were melee DPS before.

    And while I play tank now I could not care less about any leading, I only do so for current content because I only want to farm content once and with tanks I can use it for 4 jobs potentially.
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