#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Isala]

Tanks having self sustain and lots of it is not a new concept in MMOS, if you think FFXIV tanks are self-sufficient just wait until you see what a geared tank can do in a game like WoW where it is not only that they do not need healers, they do not need the dps either as they can solo normal content and even still relevant raids on their own.

FFXIV´s tank self sustain s not the issue nor the reason why healing in FFIXV is in the situation it is, and it is just a lazy "solution" that would affect the rest of us.

So again, keep us out of your problems.

It's funny you mention WoW, because someone actually linked a dev comment saying "Yeah. We screwed up and made tanks unkillable. We're working on fixing it." when all we get is radio silence from XIV on that front. So, no. Let's not keep them out of our problems, because just like 1.0, XIV needs to borrow good design from WoW again.

[Aword3213]

Tanks having self sustain and lots of it is not a new concept in MMOS, if you think FFXIV tanks are self-sufficient just wait until you see what a geared tank can do in a game like WoW where it is not only that they do not need healers, they do not need the dps either as they can solo normal content and even still relevant raids on their own.

FFXIV´s tank self sustain s not the issue nor the reason why healing in FFIXV is in the situation it is, and it is just a lazy "solution" that would affect the rest of us.

So again, keep us out of your problems.

Strike supporter or not. I think self sustain on tanks should be nerfed. I play tanks quite often too. The amount of self sustain is getting ridiculous

[Kes13a]

Tanks having self sustain and lots of it is not a new concept in MMOS, if you think FFXIV tanks are self-sufficient just wait until you see what a geared tank can do in a game like WoW where it is not only that they do not need healers, they do not need the dps either as they can solo normal content and even still relevant raids on their own.

FFXIV´s tank self sustain s not the issue nor the reason why healing in FFIXV is in the situation it is, and it is just a lazy "solution" that would affect the rest of us.

So again, keep us out of your problems.

here you go. Even the vaunted WoW has noticed a problem with tanks being unkillable. a little knowledge of the issue goes a long way.

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker...94517#24223979

[ServantNaoya]

Strike supporter or not. I think self sustain on tanks should be nerfed. I play tanks quite often too. The amount of self sustain is getting ridiculous

Warrior is literally unkillable in dungeons unless the player is asleep at the wheel.

[Supersnow845]

here you go. Even the vaunted WoW has noticed a problem with tanks being unkillable. a little knowledge of the issue goes a long way.

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker...94517#24223979

God imagine if the 14 developers would ever actually justify their decisions like this and not be terrified of nerfs

It’s weird to be jealous of what the WOW devs are doing but this is so well thought out, makes total sense and considers all sides that it’s exactly what I’d want from this sort of change

[Kes13a]

Warrior is literally unkillable in dungeons unless the player is asleep at the wheel.

seems to be how most things are designed these days.... the ability to sleep while playing is almost a requirement for many jobs.

[LyraShu]

here you go. Even the vaunted WoW has noticed a problem with tanks being unkillable. a little knowledge of the issue goes a long way.

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker...94517#24223979

"Healer gameplay should not be dominated by tank healing.

Healers play a critical role, and keeping tanks alive is part of what they bring to the table. However, healers contribute to the success of groups in many ways, especially in dungeons. They sustain the group, dispel harmful effects, and respond to burst damage, all while doing mechanics. Tank healing should not demand so much that it interferes with their other roles. It may take some iteration to get the balance right on this, where healers feel essential to tank survival but with their attention not overly demanded by it." ~ Taken from the same link

I am literally crying at this one T.T Like, this is what I really wanna do. Let me keep you alive, tank. Let me keep the party healthy and well, let me feel like I do things. Right now, with the current gameplay, all I do is spam 1 ability and throw some ogcd's in for heals and extra dps. I have been of the mindset of "well, if this is how se wants gameplay, then I at least want an extra attack or two so I don't fall asleep" mindset, but this post from WOW kinda fits exactly what I hope for in healer gameplay. And for the love all the gods, please, let me throw real buffs on the party -ded-

[Kes13a]

God imagine if the 14 developers would ever actually justify their decisions like this and not be terrified of nerfs

It’s weird to be jealous of what the WOW devs are doing but this is so well thought out, makes total sense and considers all sides that it’s exactly what I’d want from this sort of change

I have never had a desire to return to playing WoW but it IS nice to see that they have gotten out of their slump and are actually changing things (or trying to) for the better over there. I hope they succeed.

[Kes13a]

"Healer gameplay should not be dominated by tank healing.

Healers play a critical role, and keeping tanks alive is part of what they bring to the table. However, healers contribute to the success of groups in many ways, especially in dungeons. They sustain the group, dispel harmful effects, and respond to burst damage, all while doing mechanics. Tank healing should not demand so much that it interferes with their other roles. It may take some iteration to get the balance right on this, where healers feel essential to tank survival but with their attention not overly demanded by it." ~ Taken from the same link

I am literally crying at this one T.T Like, this is what I really wanna do. Let me keep you alive, tank. Let me keep the party healthy and well, let me feel like I do things. Right now, with the current gameplay, all I do is spam 1 ability and throw some ogcd's in for heals and extra dps. I have been of the mindset of "well, if this is how se wants gameplay, then I at least want an extra attack or two so I don't fall asleep" mindset, but this post from WOW kinda fits exactly what I hope for in healer gameplay. And for the love all the gods, please, let me throw real buffs on the party -ded-

yeah, it was a very good read, and obviously from a group of developers that actually know and or PLAY healers/tanks. they really did hit the nail on the head, and while I havent heard of any huge disgruntlement from WoW, the devs do this? and here we sit with radio silence. rather telling overall

[Ruruura]

here you go. Even the vaunted WoW has noticed a problem with tanks being unkillable. a little knowledge of the issue goes a long way.

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker...94517#24223979

Yes but as i said and i assume you know, in WoW tanks are literally unkillable even in completely unreasonable situations and can effectively and speedily solo current content.
FFXIV tanks are not even close to what WoW tanks are so pretending the issue is the same and tank self-sufficiency needs to go is ridiculous.

And i used WoW like i could use any other MMO where tank self-sufficiency is high, which is like 8 mmos out of 10.

Healer fantasy and fun should not come from tanks essentially becoming DPS players who can mitigate tank busters and can aggro a lot.