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  1. #8531
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    Rolder50's Avatar
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    I had a run as a Warrior with a friend who was on Sage through one of the Expert dungeons. I specifically asked them to not directly heal me at all, ever, and furthermore I would purposefully click off any AoE buffs I picked up.

    Still didn't even come close to breaking a sweat. Pop bloodwhetting on CD and maybe a couple other things in between and good to go. And my WAR is only 697
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  2. #8532
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    Lak14's Avatar
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    Howard Alt-eisen
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I had a run as a Warrior with a friend who was on Sage through one of the Expert dungeons. I specifically asked them to not directly heal me at all, ever, and furthermore I would purposefully click off any AoE buffs I picked up.

    Still didn't even come close to breaking a sweat. Pop bloodwhetting on CD and maybe a couple other things in between and good to go. And my WAR is only 697
    sir you doing dungeon, it's not rocket science.
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  3. #8533
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Lak14 View Post
    sir you doing dungeon, it's not rocket science.
    I believe Yoshi P said something about making the game slightly harder. I believe a WAR that can completely self heal without proper mitigation in a dungeon might be slightly brain dead. (Along with the shortest world first savage race in the games history. Lol harder btw)
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  4. #8534
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    I believe Yoshi P said something about making the game slightly harder. I believe a WAR that can completely self heal without proper mitigation in a dungeon might be slightly brain dead. (Along with the shortest world first savage race in the games history. Lol harder btw)
    It must be harder for everybody but WAR is what the devs meant, probably.
    (7)

    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  5. #8535
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    Lak14's Avatar
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    Howard Alt-eisen
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    I believe Yoshi P said something about making the game slightly harder. I believe a WAR that can completely self heal without proper mitigation in a dungeon might be slightly brain dead. (Along with the shortest world first savage race in the games history. Lol harder btw)
    only braindead casual player care about healing or mitigation in dungeon.
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  6. #8536
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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lak14 View Post
    only braindead casual player care about healing or mitigation in dungeon.
    Healers are in such a bad state even the baits are low effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  7. #8537
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    Lak14's Avatar
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    Howard Alt-eisen
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Healers are in such a bad state even the baits are low effort.
    bait ? mfs pls look at me, i'm playing on elemental. Do you really think we care about your strike ?
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  8. #8538
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    At least they have the attention seeking part of being a WAR main down.
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  9. #8539
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Connor Whelan
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lak14 View Post
    mfs pls look at me
    Honey B. Lovely is that you?
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  10. #8540
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    Tigore Collson
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lak14 View Post
    only braindead casual player care about healing or mitigation in dungeon.
    Umm, ok. Good luck with that on our level 95 dungeon. I just finished that one as SGE and needed to use all of my cooldowns to eventually keep everyone alive. Since, you know, it has an instant kill knock back. Because the area you stand on is sometimes a funny diagonal spot, it has a very high chance to kill new players on the first go. I will have to test later on if Surecast / Arm's Length can cover all of those moments where it's a funny diagonal spot. The GNB tank did use some special cooldown combo on the tower stack and asked if he could take it alone (without Superbollide).

    Since I did level WAR first, even I have to admit Bloodwhetting and Nascent Flash could use some toning down. For Bloodwhetting, probably a set 400 - 800 potency heal per damage ability used rather than per enemy hit would be a first step on AoE heals. It sounds like an exaggeration that 2 GCDs on a big pull can fully heal us from 10% HP, but it is 100% true. We might have to do the same for the Abyssal Drain on DRK too, but they are the tank falling behind the others now. Even GNB can handle big FATE pulls better than DRK and they are actually the highest DPS tank too. My Savage Raiding friend might start using PLD instead soon since they got really juicy damage buffs >.> I presume the healers here probably want DRK to be the model DPS tank on where the defences should be nerfed to?
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