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  1. #8521
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    Alice_Rivers's Avatar
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    Alice Rivers
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Can you imagine a Direct Critical heal?
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  2. #8522
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    TheDustyOne's Avatar
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    Dusty Two
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    Behemoth
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    Can you imagine a Direct Critical heal?
    Okay, I do get why heals aren't affected, but dammit that would be hilarious.
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  3. #8523
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    I don't understand why SE doesn't just make Tenacity and Piety give damage contribution at an equal rate to Determination, I can only assume it's because 'if we make the healer stat grant more damage, some healers will feel like they have to do damage' or whatever.
    I think it's more that they're designed to be cheese/safety stats, and why should such a stat then also be wholly competitive in damage atop that?

    They don't quite function as such because they just don't do enough Mit or MPR to be noticeable, but that's more a matter of all secondary stats in this game scaling at a snail's pace / having such a low available maximum early in each expansion. Frankly, they should probably be less penalized by leveling but increase in quantity less with ilvl thereafter, allowing more choice early in each expansion without overly exacerbating gaps in the final tiers from whatever quadratic scaling, etc. could otherwise be present.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 08-15-2024 at 05:43 AM.

  4. #8524
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    Alice_Rivers's Avatar
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    Alice Rivers
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
    Okay, I do get why heals aren't affected, but dammit that would be hilarious.
    It certainly would.
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  5. #8525
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    Can you imagine a Direct Critical heal?
    Wow that would be like 8% of a WAR bloodwhetting aoe heal.
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  6. #8526
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    EusisLandale's Avatar
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    Eira Landale
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Wow that would be like 8% of a WAR bloodwhetting aoe heal.
    They'd absolutely force a direct crit heal for that ability, just to make sure the healing was ridiculous on single target as well.
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  7. #8527
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    sharknado's Avatar
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    Sharknado Shortcake
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    Alpha
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Team member logged the fun Tender Valley run I had and it turns out I'm good with mitigation healers:


    The DPS was rather high, last boss got record quick meltdown. WHM pretty sure had zero hardcast heals, million holys. During that run I did hit a lot of party mitigation/regen timings (with mix of job/uncapped tome gear so low).


    Another run, more typical with some screw ups, benes:
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  8. #8528
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    Rolder50's Avatar
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    I had a run as a Warrior with a friend who was on Sage through one of the Expert dungeons. I specifically asked them to not directly heal me at all, ever, and furthermore I would purposefully click off any AoE buffs I picked up.

    Still didn't even come close to breaking a sweat. Pop bloodwhetting on CD and maybe a couple other things in between and good to go. And my WAR is only 697
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  9. #8529
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    Lak14's Avatar
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    Howard Alt-eisen
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I had a run as a Warrior with a friend who was on Sage through one of the Expert dungeons. I specifically asked them to not directly heal me at all, ever, and furthermore I would purposefully click off any AoE buffs I picked up.

    Still didn't even come close to breaking a sweat. Pop bloodwhetting on CD and maybe a couple other things in between and good to go. And my WAR is only 697
    sir you doing dungeon, it's not rocket science.
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  10. #8530
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Lak14 View Post
    sir you doing dungeon, it's not rocket science.
    I believe Yoshi P said something about making the game slightly harder. I believe a WAR that can completely self heal without proper mitigation in a dungeon might be slightly brain dead. (Along with the shortest world first savage race in the games history. Lol harder btw)
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