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  1. #8511
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Content creators at the time pointed out exactly why it was happening - most PFs were sitting the min ilvl to join the party too high. Healer mains already had their statics they were clearing with. DPS/tank mains who would have been happy to join as healer couldn't because they didn't have ilvl for their healer gear.

    I haven't been paying attention to the raid PFs in Dawntrail so far. Could that same problem be happening all over again?

    Not trying to dismiss the likely outcome as you pointed out, just wondering if a known issue from the past has been taken into consideration.
    It's week 2 right now, all the PFs are still set for minimum ilvl. Anyone who wants to play a healer right now can easily buy a crafted healing set and jump right into PF.

    But from what is being observed, most players would rather wait in PF than take on the role themselves.
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  2. #8512
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    It's week 2 right now, all the PFs are still set for minimum ilvl. Anyone who wants to play a healer right now can easily buy a crafted healing set and jump right into PF.

    But from what is being observed, most players would rather wait in PF than take on the role themselves.
    I'd rather just go 4 tanks than use the crafted healer gear. All that piety kills me to look at.
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  3. #8513
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    I'd rather just go 4 tanks than use the crafted healer gear. All that piety kills me to look at.
    The armors don't have that much piety with only the shoes having it, but the accessories are pretty cancerous...
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  4. #8514
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    I'd rather just go 4 tanks than use the crafted healer gear. All that piety kills me to look at.
    Honestly speaking, I'm actually thankful for the piety because it allowed me to drag the entire party all the way to enrage after the boss got 4 stacks in M2S.

    Also dragging the party all the way to Sunrise Sabbath in M4S after 3 people died on Midnight Sabbath (including my cohealer) with no res caster.

    All that piety would suck in the previous tier with all those body checks though.
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  5. #8515
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    The armors don't have that much piety with only the shoes having it, but the accessories are pretty cancerous...
    That's still 6 slots too many lol
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  6. #8516
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    That's still 6 slots too many lol
    I don't think you can completely escape piety... But I suppose you could get the EX2 accessories, which don't seem to have Piety... But I would say it's too much work to get a gearset that's almost on par with every other role.
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  7. #8517
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    The only unavoidable piety is on boots where both savage and augmented tome options contains piety that it's a loss damage wise vs NR boots lmfao.
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  8. #8518
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    The only unavoidable piety is on boots where both savage and augmented tome options contains piety that it's a loss damage wise vs NR boots lmfao.
    Alliance raid boots BiS incoming.
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  9. #8519
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Crafters are really dumb they should be selling those gloves on healers for way more. They're bis rn sell em for like 2 mil
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  10. #8520
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    I don't understand why SE doesn't just make Tenacity and Piety give damage contribution at an equal rate to Determination, I can only assume it's because 'if we make the healer stat grant more damage, some healers will feel like they have to do damage' or whatever

    As for me, I'm going to be taking the extra Piety from the raid boots. Not because I want the Piety per se, but I'm not a fan of throwing away 20 item levels (and 3 overmeld slots) just to dodge a substat that doesn't grant damage. Because losing those 20 Ilvls means losing all that mainstat too, so the damage gained is minimal. Plus I don't do log runs. I did my time with the 'crafted accessories are BIS' BS back in Stormblood when I was a Tank main, don't make me do it again
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