#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[flowerkatie]

Say it with me. Paper. Calculations.

Applied after real testing was completed and then proven to be incorrect to the point where they needed to make an apology clearly showing that paper-calculations are neither efficient or synonymous with good implementation, you really proved me wrong and didn't just reiterate what my edit of my original post stated.

I don't see how it's nonsensical, inefficient, maybe, we don't have whatever tools SE uses to make these calculations, but we can napkin-math it out pretty easily.

I disagree, it's still nonsensical. Proven by the above, paper-calculations lead to nothing but terrible implementation and nothing meaningful. I am a healer who feels that healing is clearly too easy based on the fact that any healer worth their salt can farm most content without ever dropping a single GCD damage throughout the entire fight. I personally believe that is an issue. You also know as you've read my post that I believe the solution is to make healing more engaging, something that can be done a variety of ways. One of which is increasing the damage of incoming raid-wide damage. That is the extent of my opinion and I've never stated to know more than that, and I have seen many terrible solutions.

If you think refusing to spend time arbitrarily calculating how much damage would be required to force a healer to use X amount more GCD's means I cannot express I think healing can be more difficult then you're free to have that opinion. I remain under the belief that doing such calculations isn't required for throwing out suggestions on a forum.

[Isala]

Applied after real testing was completed and then proven to be incorrect to the point where they needed to make an apology clearly showing that paper-calculations are neither efficient or synonymous with good implementation, you really proved me wrong and didn't just reiterate what my edit of my original post stated.


I disagree, it's still nonsensical. Proven by the above, paper-calculations lead to nothing but terrible implementation and nothing meaningful. I am a healer who feels that healing is clearly too easy based on the fact that any healer worth their salt can farm most content without ever dropping a single GCD damage throughout the entire fight. I personally believe that is an issue. You also know as you've read my post that I believe the solution is to make healing more engaging, something that can be done a variety of ways. One of which is increasing the damage of incoming raid-wide damage. That is the extent of my opinion and I've never stated to know more than that, and I have seen many terrible solutions.

If you think refusing to spend time arbitrarily calculating how much damage would be required to force a healer to use X amount more GCD's then you're free to have that opinion. I remain under the belief that doing such calculations isn't required for throwing out suggestions on a forum.

Oh, I have no skin in the discussion between you and the other guy, really. I was just pointing out that yes, SE is so bad at their job of balancing that they use guesses and estimation to create their Savage fights. And while you are correct, in that a good MMO wouldn't use that kind of metric, well, XIV hasn't reached the quality for "good" in a few expansions.

[flowerkatie]

Oh, I have no skin in the discussion between you and the other guy, really. I was just pointing out that yes, SE is so bad at their job of balancing that they use guesses and estimation to create their Savage fights. And while you are correct, in that a good MMO wouldn't use that kind of metric, well, XIV hasn't reached the quality for "good" in a few expansions.

This is unfortunately something I can actually agree with.

[ForsakenRoe]

If you think refusing to spend time arbitrarily calculating how much damage would be required to force a healer to use X amount more GCD's means I cannot express I think healing can be more difficult then you're free to have that opinion. I remain under the belief that doing such calculations isn't required for throwing out suggestions on a forum.

Would you like to use your Phone-A-Friend for this one

[flowerkatie]

Would you like to use your Phone-A-Friend for this one

This is the response of somebody who's original post wasn't trolling, by the way.

And (once again) we're wondering why I've come to disagree with so many of these suggestions.

[ForsakenRoe]

This is the response of somebody who's original post wasn't trolling, by the way.

The original post was not trolling. That one was. If you cannot tell the difference between the two, well, there's no point continuing what little discussion was being had.

You are not the first person I have asked the question to. You will not be the last. You also were not the first person to dodge answering it, or ignore it entirely. In fact, I was hoping you'd be the first to do so. Because not a single person I've asked has answered. You can call it 'pointless' or 'waste of time' or whatever, but if you're going to say 'This is how to fix healers' on a public forum, you'd better be able to back that assertion up. And you haven't. Doing the maths to work out how much healing a Job puts out over a given timeframe is incredibly simple. It took me 45 seconds, of which 30 was waiting for Indom to come back off cooldown. If you really don't have time to spend like, a minute doing the maths, then I'd recommend not being on the forums at all

Edit: If I'm 'trolling', you should probably block me, rather than responding to me

[Bobby66]

Say we do up the healing required, begs the question if we up the damage to a point that even offsets self sustain from other classes that means a group would be at the mercy of the healers no? Is that really wise when people are already complaining about how difficult DT normal mode content is?

I just don't see how they can do enough to up the amount of healing that would feel impactful on a healer in normal mode content.

Edit: I agree a certain amount of stress should come into play with normal mode content to push people to get better, but that push has to come in baby steps, problem is do we really trust SE to do that?

[Maalik]

Is the strike still going? I haven't noticed as of late tbh if it is.

[Aword3213]

many of these suggestions are terrible and experience in the role is not synonymous with valid suggestions and now you're saying his post has no meaningful contribution.

Pointing out nonsense is a valid contribution.

Terrible is subjective. It’s is not objective fact.

Pointing out nonsense is your personal opinion. It may make sense to a lot of people.








Wow, it really does lead to nowhere

[Saraide]

I see we are having this discussion again. I remember a certain poster who was similarly belligerent on this topic.