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  1. #7081
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revash View Post
    A shame about lack of an exit survey but they can still get some info "indirectly". I will be naive and believe that a big company as SE has analysts and statisticians working on and analyzing trends and subs. if say SE introduced X in patch Y.1 and they suddenly see a drop in participation or drop in subs in general. They can make some conclusions. Obviously its not as effective as plain out having survey data which plainly tells you whats wrong but it can help pinpoint or at least give a general idea.
    Even this strike movement. Its success won't be dictated by "how loud people will scream on forums" but what will the analysts report back to the board regarding healer role "popularity" and "queue lengths".
    I am sure the "analysts" had oh so much data to support a change to viper less than a week after early access began. that leads me to doubt that the big company that SE is has data crunchers worth what they are being paid. if the data was THAT glaring that it popped up before anyone had really played and learned the job, why wasnt it caught in play testing then?
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  2. #7082
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basteala View Post
    To play devil's advocate, I think the encounter mechanics in DT bosses thus far are leagues better than EW in terms of challenge and at least testing the healer's situational awareness. I think more of the problem is that the Healer classes themselves are just fundamentally flawed.
    Well, if we want to go this route, we may agree, I didn't want my situational awareness challenged in PVE (as opposed to PVP, where my expectations are quite different), there are only so many combinations of lines, AOEs, puddles, and what-have-you that can be of interest, especially with some extremely poor colour contrast. I would have wanted more job complexity along with variations in content design, however as Square stated this expansion wasn't going to look at "major" job reworks in combination with encounter design changes.
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  3. #7083
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revash View Post
    Or would scare away more people cause for average joe.
    You're right, we just don't know. That's all just pointless assumptions people try to abuse to support their own prefered narrative. "The silent majority agrees with me because...."
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    Last edited by aiqa; 07-16-2024 at 06:22 AM.

  4. #7084
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    I am sure the "analysts" had oh so much data to support a change to viper less than a week after early access began. that leads me to doubt that the big company that SE is has data crunchers worth what they are being paid. if the data was THAT glaring that it popped up before anyone had really played and learned the job, why wasnt it caught in play testing then?
    I am not SE lawyer/PR or will claim that they are perfect. I can just base my experience on my own student years where I worked as an assistant in compiling reports for a local company. We actually managed to catch something worthwhile..or so we thought. So we handed in our report to the higher ups. Few months later, I found out that it was buried under "its not on our priority list atm". I think SE analysts are in a similar boat. Compiling a report is one thing but only the higher ups are the ones which can make decisions based on it.
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  5. #7085
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Sorry but you don't get any attention in fact.... I live in a country where, if a strike doesn't disrupt, it doesn't get any attention at all and is completly forgoten (and we are know for being expert in strike XD)..... There is a lo of exemple

    And this what it's actually hapenning to the healer strike... A vast majority doesn't even know about it, and, to be serious, personally, i totally forgot about it... And i'm pretty sure that SE and CU3 doesn't even know about it or just have vaguely heard about it.... And don't care at all

    Don't get me wrong, you have the right to do a strike, and i will never condemn you for doing it... But, i don't think this will get you somewhere.
    With all due respect, unless you or a close person to you are a developer, working on FFXIV, you can't know that. The strike is not meant to capture players' attention.
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  6. #7086
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    I'm sorry for all the disabled players i see posting around, but no video game can survive catering to a small minority when it is at the expense of a majority.
    You should expect that you will not be able to enjoy most of the game's content. That's just how it is and no one can fix it.

    I'm glad that you can and have enjoyed the game to the extent that you can. Later content will naturally be harder, and not exactly more of the same striking dummy difficulty.
    Where did this train of thought come from? It's about as non sequitur as you can get.

    I highly doubt the lack of challenge in much of the content is due to Square Enix going out of its way to accomodate disabled players. If anything, the lack of challenge is due to the dev's belief that the majority of players enjoy a game which is easy to play.

    So, don't try to make disabled players the scapegoat for your dissatisfaction. The issue is solely due to Square Enix taking the safest option in their game design.
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  7. #7087
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    With all due respect, unless you or a close person to you are a developer, working on FFXIV, you can't know that. The strike is not meant to capture players' attention.
    Wait.... It's not meant to capture player attention?... then your strike is utterly pointless and will never work.

    It's not how a strike work at all.... If you want the attention of a governement, CEO or, in this case, the dev, you must first draw the attention of your community. To make them know why you are doing a strike, to make them emphasize with you, so they can add their voice to yours. And the more voices you have with you, the louder you are heard... When enough people are with you, and you became a "threatening force", it's when you can really start to voice your problems and begin to discuss and negotiate

    If you don't do that, you will never be heard or acknowledged, and the governement, ceo or, in this case, the dev, will never give a damn about you and your problems.
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  8. #7088
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Wait.... It's not meant to capture player attention?... then your strike is utterly pointless and will never work.

    It's not how a strike work at all.... If you want the attention of a governement, CEO or, in this case, the dev, you must first draw the attention of your community. To make them know why you are doing a strike, to make them emphasize with you, so they can add their voice to yours. And the more voices you have with you, the louder you are heard... When enough people are with you, and you became a "threatening force", it's when you can really start to voice your problems and begin to discuss and negotiate

    If you don't do that, you will never be heard or acknowledged, and the governement, ceo or, in this case, the dev, will never give a damn about you and your problems.
    The strike already had more attention then I ever expected, both from news media and players. I don't think you have to worry about improving outreach, much less this late.

    But if you really want to try improve outreach, nobody is stopping you. And I eagerly await your initiative.
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  9. #7089
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Wait.... It's not meant to capture player attention?... then your strike is utterly pointless and will never work.

    It's not how a strike work at all.... If you want the attention of a governement, CEO or, in this case, the dev, you must first draw the attention of your community. To make them know why you are doing a strike, to make them emphasize with you, so they can add their voice to yours. And the more voices you have with you, the louder you are heard... When enough people are with you, and you became a "threatening force", it's when you can really start to voice your problems and begin to discuss and negotiate

    If you don't do that, you will never be heard or acknowledged, and the governement, ceo or, in this case, the dev, will never give a damn about you and your problems.
    You think?

    Where are the ‘voices’ calling for Viper to be simplified? When they decided to take a complete U-Turn on Scholar’s identity and aesthetic? What about when they removed Energy Drain, or Kaiten? Oh, and let’s not forget those ‘threatening powerful voices’ of the masses of tanks who were pleading to become literally invincible in most content. The voices that asked for Astrologian to get 4/6 of its cards turned into ability-clones? Are they in the room with us now?

    Your mistake is thinking the devs make their decisions based on some form of logic. Prior evidence suggests otherwise. They base their decisions on whoever screams the loudest and they notice first
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  10. #7090
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Your mistake is thinking the devs make their decisions based on some form of logic. Prior evidence suggests otherwise. They base their decisions on whoever screams the loudest and they notice first
    Nah, cos if that were true, all the screaming since Kaiten was removed would have brought Kaiten back within 2 weeks. I think it's more likely they make their decisions with 'this will make it easier to balance stuff (theoretically)' and then justify those decisions after the fact with 'Player Feedback', because that way it diffuses the backlash from the devs somewhat to a nebulous cloud of 'Players' who don't actually exist, but make for a good scapegoat when actual players want someone to blame. 'Those damn casual idiots demanded Kaiten get removed and now SAM plays horribly!' But the 'casual idiots' never existed...
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