#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Zykorberus]

In normal difficulty, i think all jobs can be replaced. You can run an all dps group, an all tank group, or even an all healer group in NORMAL difficulty for dungeons, trials, and raids so it's not just healers that can be excluded at that level. In Exteme maybe if everyone knows what to do and there is sufficient coordination. In Savage and Ultimate I don't think so.

[gllt]

In normal difficulty, i think all jobs can be replaced. You can run an all dps group, an all tank group, or even an all healer group in NORMAL difficulty for dungeons, trials, and raids so it's not just healers that can be excluded at that level. In Exteme maybe if everyone knows what to do and there is sufficient coordination. In Savage and Ultimate I don't think so.

I think leveling roulette should be fun even if jobs can be replaced in it

[Striker44]

In normal difficulty, i think all jobs can be replaced. You can run an all dps group, an all tank group, or even an all healer group in NORMAL difficulty for dungeons, trials, and raids so it's not just healers that can be excluded at that level. In Exteme maybe if everyone knows what to do and there is sufficient coordination. In Savage and Ultimate I don't think so.

This. I remember having a blast in ShB doing a PF run of the last Nier raid with a group of 24 healers.

An Ultimate was cleared without healers. It's old news.

Something being done in a less efficient manner by a specific group of veteran, top-tier players is meaningless. That happens in practically every game in existence, where the "top of the top" create various ways to challenge themselves even farther (for RPG's, think low-level completions, doing FF1 with 4 white mages, etc.). It becomes "meaningful" if that kind of alternate approach becomes reliably doable by typical players.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

In Savage and Ultimate I don't think so.

It's been like two months, we're still stuck on this?

An Ultimate was cleared without healers. It's old news.

Switching out a healer for a DPS actively makes dungeons faster while 4 healers is a meme comp that'll clear super slowly. They have kits that are 80% heals but none of them are needed, that's fundamentally broken.

[Bobby66]

It's been like two months, we're still stuck on this?

An Ultimate was cleared without healers. It's old news.

Switching out a healer for a DPS actively makes dungeons faster while 4 healers is a meme comp that'll clear super slowly. They have kits that are 80% heals but none of them are needed, that's fundamentally broken.

That is disingenuous, FFXIV content is heavily scripted so yes once the content is figured out you can start to replace roles, an argument can be made current savage was grossly under tuned. That being said I do not think any ult or savage has been first time cleared and progged without a healer. That is the point they are trying to make that healer engagement is still a thing during prog. Yes, it is fair to want more of that to in other content but no need to ignore it either.

[GrimGale]

Well, I am back after trying new Savage to see if "my morsels of healing to do" was a correct assessment.

So far, in M3S I got a 0 grey dps parser and I clocked into 150 casts of Malefic. (My partner was a SGE with 165 casts of Dosis. Nobody died by the way.)

I figure it only gets worse from here.

There are mostly mitigation checks and 1 heal check in M2s and another heal check in M3s. So far, M4s is not lookin that intense. (healing wise)

[Ramiee]

It's pretty frustrating that Sage is so close to having a good DPS kit and exactly the sort of thing healers need.

Genuinely if stacks of Addersting made Toxikon II do more damage from 360 to like 420 and you gained those Adderstings from shield breaks psych uses and dosis crits SGE would have exactly what we would want.
This is a very simple resource build and spender system that you can easily switch between doing and healing but keeping the job more engaging for when you learn a encounter.

The problem is however if anything close to a system like this was placed on SGE we would never see the other healers ever again in roulettes.

[Kes13a]

The problem is however if anything close to a system like this was placed on SGE we would never see the other healers ever again in roulettes.

not true, I dislike SGE, so would still play my main. may not be the latest model but I still can enjoy it

[Azurarok]

Genuinely if stacks of Addersting made Toxikon II do more damage from 360 to like 420 and you gained those Adderstings from shield breaks psych uses and dosis crits SGE would have exactly what we would want.

As far as what I've been told Addersting's not allowed to be higher potency because players'll then have to stock up on them for raid buffs, which will make the job "too busy".
I think that'd add a nice layer of complexity for the job but having to manage resources for dps is not something a healer should be doing apparently.

[Rolder50]

As far as what I've been told Addersting's not allowed to be higher potency because players'll then have to stock up on them for raid buffs, which will make the job "too busy".
I think that'd add a nice layer of complexity for the job but having to manage resources for dps is not something a healer should be doing apparently.

Oh how I wish we could just axe raid buffs entirely and then allow the jobs to have more interesting designs instead