#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

Come on you know this is not true, many healers back in the day complained about how they spent more time doing damage verse healing and how they wanted more healing actions. The rolled healer to heal not dps etc... Also it was healer players that complained tanks were annoying to heal due to smaller HP cause of DPS accessory usage.

How nice of you to dismiss my experiences with your own.

No, I did not see any healers complaining about that. When I played back then, healers were pressured to turn OFF Cleric Stance, not turn it on. Parties were content with letting the healer do nothing but heal. Even when I was farming extremes, I was told to not turn on Cleric Stance at all.

Complaints come form both sides but it does make more sense to cater to the larger demographic. I say this as a SMN main since HW. I miss my old smn but majority did not like it so it makes sense to turn it into something more people will play. They are just doing the same with healers and unfort I bet their data will show the strike has not had a major impact to healer numbers.

The thing here is, you don't know that they're catering to a larger demographic, you're assuming that they are, but they've been known to make bad decisions before.

Also, the vast majority of players are silent for a reason, they likely do not care one way or another, so they'd play the jobs they enjoy no matter what. Why should these players be included in the discussion?

In the end, everything is going to be minority vs minority, there is no majority position here.

[Bobby66]

How nice of you to dismiss my experiences with your own.

No, I did not see any healers complaining about that. When I played back then, healers were pressured to turn OFF Cleric Stance, not turn it on. Parties were content with letting the healer do nothing but heal. Even when I was farming extremes, I was told to not turn on Cleric Stance at all.



The thing here is, you don't know that they're catering to a larger demographic, you're assuming that they are, but they've been known to make bad decisions before.

Also, the vast majority of players are silent for a reason, they likely do not care one way or another, so they'd play the jobs they enjoy no matter what. Why should these players be included in the discussion?

In the end, everything is going to be minority vs minority, there is no majority position here.

I am sure SE has the data that supports the changes they make. I doubt they are making changes based off their on whims, I doubt we would have a game that is growing in population and popularity if they were doing that.

Let be fair the healers were pressured to keep it off were because people could afraid they were going to wipe the group, just like how people pushed some tanks to not use dps stance and stay in tank stance for aggro reasons.

In the end SE has the data and they will use that data to support their choices, their data must have supported the complaints or I doubt they would have changed it.

[GartredZW]

I am sure SE has the data that supports the changes they make. I doubt they are making changes based off their on whims, I doubt we would have a game that is growing in population and popularity if they were doing that.

Let be fair the healers were pressured to keep it off were because people could afraid they were going to wipe the group, just like how people pushed some tanks to not use dps stance and stay in tank stance for aggro reasons.

In the end SE has the data and they will use that data to support their choices, their data must have supported the complaints or I doubt they would have changed it.

They had data back then, and changed the design philosophy based on player feedback, and how the game played after changes. Just because they have raw numbers doesn't mean they completely and perfectly understand what those numbers mean, or even how to perfectly design in a way to fix these issues. Mistakes are made, and lessons are learned.
Doesn't mean I, or anyone in this thread knows the exact solution to solve this problem, but we don't need to be experts to know that there's an issue in the first place.

Edit: Congrats everyone on 700 pages. How far we've come with so many repeated arguments.

[Isala]

They had data back then, and changed the design philosophy based on player feedback, and how the game played after changes. Just because they have raw numbers doesn't mean they completely and perfectly understand what those numbers mean, or even how to perfectly design in a way to fix these issues. Mistakes are made, and lessons are learned.
Doesn't mean I, or anyone in this thread knows the exact solution to solve this problem, but we don't need to be experts to know that there's an issue in the first place.

Edit: Congrats everyone on 700 pages. How far we've come with so many repeated arguments.

They keep claiming "player feedback", but honestly, I call BS. I truly believe they've gotten up their own asses with the ego that caused them to make the terrible decisions that led to 1.0 again. That mentality of "We know what our players want better than they do!" that they got stuck in over the massive success of XI. Heavensward was such a resounding success, that it was the peak of the XIV experience. Every expansion since then, has been a decline. Not to say that they were bad. But they did not reach HW's lofty heights. And now they're doubling, and tripling down on some really asinine decisions, all in the name of "player feedback" that doesn't even exist. Nobody is saying the things they're claiming we are. Even JP is questioning their decisions.