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    PercibelTheren's Avatar
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    Percibel Theren
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagacious View Post
    MK4 is just to hard. I have seen all the streams saying DT raids are not to hard and just get GUD, but I have 3 alts doing MK4 3 times a week and I can't get it right .... the phase where 1/4th of the room is left and we have to go back and forth is impossible ... Can anyone provide any tips ..I'm so lost on it and I play healer and when the healer dies it's game over .. I need help. (cries)
    Stand right below the boss. Look at her cannon and move to the opposite of wherever she is firing. I'm personally not a huge fan of "memory test" mechanics like that but it's doable.

    The mistake I see most people make there is move too far and then not have enough time to get to the other side.
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    Eira Landale
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigore View Post
    @ Xenoviastar

    I get that you don't feel needed from the Paladins being "blue healers" like Warriors, but what you are asking from them is unreasonable. Requiescat or their upgraded version Imperator procs their hard hitting spell combo. They got it last expansion during Endwalker because they needed to have burst damage of some sort to be considered for the 2 minute meta. By asking them not to pop Requiescat, you are also asking them to deal bad damage compared to the other tanks. If you are only talking about Clemency spam at 90% HP, then I would sympathize more with your case.
    They're not complaining about Requiescat. They're complaining about them wasting it on Clemency.
    they use Requiescat to heal themselves instead of doing damage.
    Using Requiescat to clemency or just use clemency in general.
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    Tigore Collson
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    It was a bit confusing since the spell damage combo also heals the PLD. Maybe not as much as Clemency would, but it's still decent enough to keep their HP stabilized.
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    Xenovia Azanai
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigore View Post
    @ Xenoviastar

    I get that you don't feel needed from the Paladins being "blue healers" like Warriors, but what you are asking from them is unreasonable. Requiescat or their upgraded version Imperator procs their hard hitting spell combo. They got it last expansion during Endwalker because they needed to have burst damage of some sort to be considered for the 2 minute meta. By asking them not to pop Requiescat, you are also asking them to deal bad damage compared to the other tanks. If you are only talking about Clemency spam at 90% HP, then I would sympathize more with your case.
    how did you come to that conclusion?
    They use Requiescat to instant cast clemency instead of holy spirit or holy circle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenoviastar View Post
    3rd time this week I have had a Paladin as my tank and each time they use Requiescat to heal themselves instead of doing damage. Yes I am healing them but they feel the need to keep themself above 90% hp apparently.
    @ Xenoviastar

    As I said, the blade spell combos, Holy Spirit and Holy Circle also come packaged with a 400 potency cure when they are cast. We can technically still use Holy Spirit and Holy Circle as an instant filler later since the melee combos procs one use afterwards. We are healing ourselves past 90% HP even if we are using Requiescat properly. Hence the confusion here. But since it is about Clemency spam for clarification, sorry about the assumption if you really have no problem with the proper usage. It doesn't even come across my mind to ever use Requiescat on Clemency because we are indirectly Cure spamming ourselves doing it right anyhow.
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    Medim Azurarok
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    I do think the healer community's a bit split on how much of the role should be healing and how much should be dps though. We've been left with neither and agree that's Not Good, at least.
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    Verathel Tetras
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    I'm kind of surprised this is still going on. With how DT has been going on almost want to wait out several patches instead of keep playing and some of the later content looks to be very, very interesting.
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Verathel View Post
    I'm kind of surprised this is still going on. With how DT has been going on almost want to wait out several patches instead of keep playing and some of the later content looks to be very, very interesting.
    The devs do have a tendency to put the absolute bare minimum into the X.0 releases and then stretch out the other interesting things as long as possible to get to the next expansion.

    Gotta keep those sub counts going ya hear
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    Olivia Lugria
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    Sargatanas
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyumi View Post

    I don't think it's a good idea to go back and forths changing jobs' identity again and again... I am sorry you lost your job, I really am. But would it really be so bad to make a new job you enjoy, opposed to making others lose it to make it 'right'?
    I remember a time... it was but an expansion ago. They were going to introduce a brand new healer. It was going to heal through dps and have a focus on damage. Oh right... it's just scholar with lasers...

    I doubt anyone part of the strike wants to see every healer changed completely. Most of us would like the split with the old and new styles.

    Currently, there's the camp that's unhappy and the camp that's happy. Switching all the healers back doesn't increase total happiness.... but splitting the healers into old and new makes a far larger rise in happiness.

    I don't understand why your unwilling to compromise. If they actually came out with a healer that appealed to the old school audience that'd be fine to, but that's just not going to happen.
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Healer never had DPS system to begin with.
    WHM had Aqua, true, but it was a low damage skill with a slow on it.
    Scholar was sharing quite a Number of DoT with the Old SMN.... it's true, but that's all.

    Except for that, what we really lost was support (my Stone Skin )
    Well to be fair back in the day with WHM you had far less oGCD heals so the damage system was balancing heals with damage dealing.
    SCH balanced moving their pet and managing their abilities with applying dots on the boss, it had a far more complicated DPS system then WHM but this was back when SCH was the DPS healer.
    AST was the only job with super basic DPS but that was because the DPS was taking a backseat to its buffing. So yeah I think back in the day the DPS kit and healing kits were more engaging.
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