#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Dogempire]

*Cries in former summoner main*

By this point "rework" for any job is synonymous with "lobotomize"

I can't think of a single job they've reworked since ShB that actually added some depth to the job, albeit maybe it's just my selective memory and I'm not familiar with Monk's 8534 different reworks, but still.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Yep, obviously no one is allowed an opinion that deviates from yours. You are the other 12 people in the healer strike are gods and we must follow your every word.

Well, that was a leap even an Olympic track champion couldn't make.

People are allowed to have different opinions. In fact, if you took the time to look through this thread, almost all of us (there are closer to 400 than 13 of us healers participating) have been open to discussion.

With that said, I cannot abide someone coming in here and dismissing over four years of feedback because we haven't done content the majority of players don't even have access to because it hasn't been released yet.

I mean, c'mon. That's not a different opinion. That's elitism on a level I've never seen before.

Now, if you want to have a meaningful chat, I'm all ears. I'm sure Fuzzout can speak for herself.

If you want more involved damage rotations then just play dps.

We want to be less bored and asking for some extra damage abilities for healers is more reasonable than expecting Square Enix to overhaul the entire game in order to correct the imbalance in the trinity they created.

[TsubameMikage]

I tried very hard not to reply this thread but ... lol

Frankly, the best way to get their attention is "unsub". All healers main just "unsub", let them feel the pinch and they will wake up.

I already have. I'm surprised I can keep posting without a sub, actually, as it ran out 4 days ago. I refuse to give this company another dollar until there is some actual corrective action taken. Not just "We'll do it soon", but when they actually do. If that means not playing for 2 years, or ever again - fine, they've made a decision that my sub isn't worth having.

[FudoMyoo]

I already have. I'm surprised I can keep posting without a sub, actually, as it ran out 4 days ago. I refuse to give this company another dollar until there is some actual corrective action taken. Not just "We'll do it soon", but when they actually do. If that means not playing for 2 years, or ever again - fine, they've made a decision that my sub isn't worth having.

I don't think you can post without a sub.

You can read only.

[Bole]

I don't think you can post without a sub.

You can read only.

You can post for like 15 days (I think) after your last login to the game. I'm not currently subbed.

[Auteur]

I apologize in advance if my points have been made already, I recently came back from a decent sized break. I have a strong opinion on this thread as a returning player as a new healer.

I believe it's misguided to promote healer being a single point of failure in MSQ content. It puts so much more pressure on new or rusty healers and if you upped the ante so much on healing in MSQ dungs, you promote frustration with experienced players who then may resort to kicking. This hurts new/returning player retention because healer is a mandatory class, and typically MSQ is the first and main content new/returning players are exposed to. It is not in SE's interest to make MSQ instances potentially "uncarryable" by creating single points of failure.

Healer can be a single point of failure because tanks and most dps classes cannot rez but a healer can. Therefore a healer can compensate for mistakes by other classes, but it may not be true vice versa. However, because dungeons are being designed so high performing DPS and tanks can basically avoid most, if not all damage, and self heal, healer is having less exposure as a single point of failure particularly in MSQ. That means that experienced and high performing non-healers can truly "carry" a MSQ dungeon (or trial in some circumstances) and there is no longer so much pressure on a mandatory healer class. This should be a win-win for all parties involved: the experienced player promotes their own ego and competency while getting out of a MSQ queue, the new player is less likely to be blamed and face exposure to vote kick or other frustration, and SE maintains player retention.

The attitude of the "strike promoters" is just elitist or mostly out of touch in my opinion. If you are part of a high performing raiding static, you are going to be doing everything with the same people you know and are not exposed to the very practical concerns and realities of people queuing with the "normies." It's the Principal Skinner meme of being out of touch, but is actually true. I will caveat that the allegation that one can complete high end extreme raids without a healer MAY have more merit, but that discussion should be completely separated from MSQ/realities of regular queues. The "strike promoters" lose credibility in my opinion when they try to tie the problems of us "regular" players or commoners without raiding statics with their high end problems.

TL;DR - it's stupid to argue against agency for high end DPS and tanks for MSQ. MSQ should be carryable by anybody performing at a high level to reduce frustration of single point of failure. The "strike promoters" should only focus on extremes or super high end content if they want to maintain credibility because otherwise they show they are elitist and out of touch in not understanding the view from duty finder and solo queue/MSQ only players.

[Supersnow845]

^the problem with that line of thinking is that if you don’t want the healer to be the fail point (which is a totally fair viewpoint to have I’m not disagreeing with that) you HAVE to give healers something else to do. I don’t think anyone wants the healer to be the single fail point of the content, just not for them to go so far in the other direction as to make the healer near redundant

I’m not particularly against the idea of tanks being able to defend an ally for example (though I don’t think they need such powerful heals to accomplish it) but if you don’t want me as the fail point you have to give me something to do that’s not broil spam

Also can we please go one anti strike comment without evoking the use of the “you are elitist” or “you are casual”, somehow I can debate with you without evoking a random insult that adds nothing to your. Argument

[Rolder50]

Another thing to consider with that line of thinking, is that even with a group of average joes, the vast majority of your time in group content will be doing DPS. Heck I'd wager thats the case even if you have the worst group known to man. What is wrong with asking for more buttons when the majority of your gameplay is doing that DPS?

[Auteur]

^the problem with that line of thinking is that if you don’t want the healer to be the fail point (which is a totally fair viewpoint to have I’m not disagreeing with that) you HAVE to give healers something else to do. I don’t think anyone wants the healer to be the single fail point of the content, just not for them to go so far in the other direction as to make the healer near redundant

I’m not particularly against the idea of tanks being able to defend an ally for example (though I don’t think they need such powerful heals to accomplish it) but if you don’t want me as the fail point you have to give me something to do that’s not broil spam

Also can we please go one anti strike comment without evoking the use of the “you are elitist” or “you are casual”, somehow I can debate with you without evoking a random insult that adds nothing to your. Argument

I think the reality folks need to acknowledge is MSQ content has to appeal to the lowest common denominator to maintain player retention because everyone would have to go through it to progress the story. Consider that with no enrage timer, a dps could play with the most "boring" or suboptimal way possible of just spamming one skill over and over without doing rotations, and you could eventually get the clear with the other party members playing "optimally." Again, the "strike promoters" have a more credible argument about higher end content (ex: very fair concern if healer is deemed not necessary for HM or extremes), but this discussion should be separated from MSQ and the practical reality MSQ really does have to appeal to the lowest common denominator (and high end raiders are not exposed to this reality because they don't deal with pug queues ever, and are basically out of touch with regular players at this point).

[Myrany]

FYI for you guys there are apparently a few people out there actively trying to give the strike/strikers a black eye by going into instances as healer then proclaiming the hashtag and refusing to heal. I have encountered 1 so far on Dynamis and my brother has encountered 1 on Elemental and that is just today.

Reported and vote kicked but it is happening.