#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[currentlemon]

These are actually good insights, I appreciate you. But is this really worth throwing a hissy fit over? Nothing will ever be perfect, ever.
The changes you're talking about seem pretty trivial for all the fuss.

I don’t recall throwing any fits in this thread. Just pointing out my issues with healer design in this game as respectfully as I can.

WHM is my favorite Job in the game, but it and healer design overall hasn’t received any improvements in the past six years in my eyes.

Yes, WHM got a few good things here and there, the Misery buff in 6.1 and the addition of Divine Caress and Glare IV in DT, but nothing has really changed since the Lily rework in 5.0.

The job has gotten stale. That’s why I haven’t touched the job since 5.55. I’d like to see some actual improvements first before I play it again. And this is coming from someone who thinks WHM is the only healer that had improvements in it’s gameplay rotation in DT, despite how small the improvement is.

[Rolder50]

After multiple futile attempts to have a civil discussion, why bother responding to someone who is seems to be more interested trying to get the thread locked and/or derailed due to their posts.

It’s only like 2 or 3 people who don’t post in good faith and it’s best to just ignore them entirely. I’m sure you know who I mean.

[PercibelTheren]

I did not see your reply. Apologies. Also, my hotbar is set up very well using every ability and allowing me to use other things that require quick access like mounts, deep dungeon potions, map search, etc. Thanks for just assuming I'm a dumbass and my setup sucks. Appreciate that.

Now you're also putting words into my mouth, how nice of you. My goodwill has run out with you.

My ignore list is really growing thanks to this thread.

[PercibelTheren]

If you really want to make a difference go to https://www.metacritic.com/game/fina...-realm-reborn/ sign in and leave a review.

Been there, done that. Or rather, I left a review for Dawntrail. Though I have no clue why you think Metacritic scores will do anything.

[Lucyfurr1988]

The problem is none of you are offering no solutions, just complaints.
You need to be able to access any DPS added on the main controller cross hotabar and the upper one. Every slot is already used.

So on WHM, what spells do you want removed and how would you replace them to add DPS?

Why is it that everybody on this board comes off as angry? Why is it that everyone outside of this board disagrees with the takes on this board.
You all might have put yourself in an unhealthy echo chamber.

White mage has 31 buttons. In total.

Repose doesn’t need to be on hotbar
Cure should already upgrade to cure 2 - freecure should just not exist it’s a relic from an era of the game that the design doesn’t hold up to current design of jobs.

So that would be 29 buttons. Making 3 spare buttons on the WXHB

In your back bar - and only on your back bar that is unseen - your third set of hot bars should be things like food, potions, mounts, limit break and sprint.

So if you’re set up that you’re struggling for space as it is then I will just say yes. Your set up sucks.

[Striker44]

I do casual content more than I do high end and I have 0 reason to use half of my healing kit 99% of the time, what we want is reasons to press more than 1 button for the majority of our playing.

Why are you so against people wanting to enjoy a role whose responsibility is being taken away more and more with every expansion?

I think at its core, the issue is that different people both have different experiences and different things that they enjoy. A change that might make Person A "enjoy" a role more could just as easily make Person B "enjoy" that role less. For example, I heal regularly, but only in roulettes with random, typical players. I definitely need to heal quite a bit more than many people on here would suggest. Just got out of a Vanaspati run this afternoon where one of our DPS managed multiple times to pull aggro on mobs (best guess is that the tank missed something with his initial AoE and then only did single-target attacks?). Said tank also saved mitigation skills for bosses rather than trash packs. That run took most of my healing kit and I probably spent more time on trash pulls healing than doing DPS. And that's not too much of an outlier. Most random tanks I run with, even the infamous WAR, frequently need at least some active healing to keep up in a dungeon unless they're only single-pulling packs.

There's also the possibility that other people simply don't mind if "most" of their time healing is spent spamming one spell. It could well be the "rush" you get when people inevitably mess up and you need to pull out your full repertoire to save the day. They could enjoy the priority being keeping a watch on everyone's health bars instead of going through a DPS rotation while playing a healer. (Yes, I may well be including myself in this group of people...)

On top of that, there have been plenty of comments made about how healers have had more to do in DT content so far. It may well be due to the reality that we haven't overgeared things yet giving a misleading impression of how things will ultimately go, but at least so far I'm not sure how that jives with our responsibility being "taken away" more with each expansion.

It’s only like 2 or 3 people who don’t post in good faith and it’s best to just ignore them entirely. I’m sure you know who I mean.

Indeed. Like people who respond to posts that point out more healing has been needed in DT by insinuating they are just bad healers, right? (No matter how non-sensical that even is...)

[Rolder50]

There's also the possibility that other people simply don't mind if "most" of their time healing is spent spamming one spell.

But even if they add more DPS spells, you could just... still only use the one, if you wanted? I don't understand the argument here.

[Lucyfurr1988]

I think at its core, the issue is that different people both have different experiences and different things that they enjoy. A change that might make Person A "enjoy" a role more could just as easily make Person B "enjoy" that role less. For example, I heal regularly, but only in roulettes with random, typical players. I definitely need to heal quite a bit more than many people on here would suggest. Just got out of a Vanaspati run this afternoon where one of our DPS managed multiple times to pull aggro on mobs (best guess is that the tank missed something with his initial AoE and then only did single-target attacks?). Said tank also saved mitigation skills for bosses rather than trash packs. That run took most of my healing kit and I probably spent more time on trash pulls healing than doing DPS. And that's not too much of an outlier. Most random tanks I run with, even the infamous WAR, frequently need at least some active healing to keep up in a dungeon unless they're only single-pulling packs.

There's also the possibility that other people simply don't mind if "most" of their time healing is spent spamming one spell. It could well be the "rush" you get when people inevitably mess up and you need to pull out your full repertoire to save the day. They could enjoy the priority being keeping a watch on everyone's health bars instead of going through a DPS rotation while playing a healer. (Yes, I may well be including myself in this group of people...)

On top of that, there have been plenty of comments made about how healers have had more to do in DT content so far. It may well be due to the reality that we haven't overgeared things yet giving a misleading impression of how things will ultimately go, but at least so far I'm not sure how that jives with our responsibility being "taken away" more with each expansion.



Indeed. Like people who respond to posts that point out more healing has been needed in DT by insinuating they are just bad healers, right? (No matter how non-sensical that even is...)

The comments about healers having more to do in Dawntrail so far.

It’s a fallacy. This happens with artefact gear every single time. Even in current tomestone gear the damage output is dropping significantly.

This is the pattern of SE. The healing requirements in normal mode content will continue to drop significantly throughout now.

It also sounds like you are very unlucky with tanks in the DF. I haven’t had a tank that bad in literal years.

There’s an answer that not a lot of people have thought of when it comes to DPS rotation.

Pictomancer has 1 button that changes to the next

Have that on healers but I’ve the option to split the buttons (like we do with the 2 minute follow ups)

That way those that want a rotation get one and those that don’t can continue to hit 1 button over and over

[Venarius]

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Can we stop pushing this false narrative already? People getting stat checked early on doesn't mean SE made content more engaging for healers. No amount of subjective comments will make it true.

You know what does? Hard data. Just pull up fflogs and see what's happening in Extremes since early access. Nothing has changed, we're playing the same game we've been playing for years - it's just a different coat of paint. Nothing got harder or more demanding, lmao.

[BunnyQueen]

I do casual content more than I do high end and I have 0 reason to use half of my healing kit 99% of the time, what we want is reasons to press more than 1 button for the majority of our playing.

Why are you so against people wanting to enjoy a role whose responsibility is being taken away more and more with every expansion?

Also if you’re going to try and say people are acting one way maybe don’t be acting the same way yourself. I’ve never seen such a disingenuous person in a forum ever before.

I agree about that fact healers need to be able to heal more, this whole issue that healers role is being taken away is annoying and dumb.