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    Striker44's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Remember you are worthless healer mains the strike means nothing. Just play a different role.
    Also stop being selfish and play healer you're purposely griefing peoples roles I want my DPS queues to be lower.
    Also you're all elitist and not thinking about casual players and also your parses show you're bad and casual at the game so we don't need your opinions.
    No I will not be playing healer that role sucks why are you telling me to?

    Am I missing any?
    You're seeing contradictory things like this because the people supporting the strike are so disorganized and all over the place. Some people follow the "manifesto" and stridently claim the goal is to convince the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Others ignore the very "manifesto" they're signing and say it's not about changing anything at all. Even among those calling for change, some want healers to be given full DPS rotations, others want fights to have more damage to heal, yet another group wants the other roles (tanks in particular) to have less self-sustain, and even more groups want various combinations of those things. When you see counterpoints being made to the various contradictory claims, of course those counterpoints will themselves seem contradictory. It's just a reflection of how much of a mess this "strike" thing is.

    I'm "opposed" to the strike for two reasons. First, if you go by what the actual "manifesto" says and the goal is to fundamentally change the game, well, I like healing how it is right now. When I want an involved DPS rotation, I'll play a DPS class. If I want something kinda "in-between," I'll tank. I don't play a healer to go through DPS rotations. Now, if the sole goal was to increase the amount of damage being done so that we'd have "more to heal," I could potentially get behind that. But the "goal" of the strike is so all over the place, I can't have any confidence that's the direction things would ultimately goal.

    Second, if you ignore the "manifesto" and take people at their word claiming the "strike" is not about changing anything, then it gets reduced to just people with a diva complex and a desperate desire to be the center of attention. It's where the argument of "if you don't like healing...just...don't heal" that pops up frequently in here comes from. Because those supporting the "strike" aren't just switching to other roles; they're insisting on shouting it from the proverbial rooftops so that everyone knows. If the goal isn't to promote a change and is all about just calling attention to yourself, that's immature, and deserves to go nowhere.

    I'll continue playing my fun jobs while you can enjoy your one button spam.
    Comments like this supplement the above. People who can't fathom that others might enjoy playing a role that one personally doesn't find fun. (Hint: Play DF with random people and you'll be doing plenty of healing.)

    But I will say simply this: were this a strike that was conducted in a civil and reasonable manner, sure I could support that. But when all I have seen from the strike is bad behavior (it's entirely possible this could be an aberration and simply bad luck on my part, I will admit),
    Trust me, you don't just have "bad luck." Those supporting the strike are a whole ball of condescension and belittling. Case in point - earlier in this thread I pointed out that since DT started I've needed to heal even more than usual. The first reply to it was a "strike" supporter insinuating it somehow meant I was a bad healer, and not one person called him out on it (but plenty of supporters "liked" that kind of response - nevermind how non-sensical it even is). These are the types of people pushing this thing.
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    Last edited by Striker44; 07-09-2024 at 01:21 PM. Reason: Added last two quotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
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    striker this is like a new low even for you

    You open your comment saying that strikers bring contradictory as hominem attacks down on themselves by not having a consistent point then you insult us then your third comment is basically saying we are all toxic and horrid people. AND you skipped over like 5 pages where two anti strikers came in and called us every name under the sun rather than actually debating our points

    Are you ever going to call out toxicity on “your” side or are you really going to attempt to justify saying “attacking strikers is a okay but also your feelings of being hurt because a striker attacked you are totally valid and they are all toxic” in the span of a single comment
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess