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    WeakestZenosEnjoyer's Avatar
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    Scrappy Moonlord
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiTia View Post
    It was the first dungeon of the expansion during a media tour. Of course it's going to be easy. Why don't we have this debate after the expansion launches and not before we have even played the classes ourselves?
    Shadowbringers, Holminster Switch is one of if not the hardest dungeon,

    Endwalker, Tower of Zot is one of if not the hardest dungeon,

    Even if by some miracle they drastically increase difficulty and later Dawntrail is a healing paradise in content design, healers are still broken all over the place in roulettes, tanks are still a co-healer, and we still only have 1-1-1 for filler.
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    Connor Whelan
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiTia View Post
    It was the first dungeon of the expansion during a media tour. Of course it's going to be easy. Why don't we have this debate after the expansion launches and not before we have even played the classes ourselves?
    I swear I’ve seen this exact same post come out every expansion.

    ‘Stop complaining about something that isn’t even out yet omg!’

    *SE releases the content with the exact issues people were discussing*

    ‘Stop complaining about the content that’s already out when we haven’t even seen the new expansion!'

    Like how much 'lived experience' of this exact issue happening every goddamn expansion before we're 'allowed' to complain?
    9.0? 10.0?
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    Fray Margrace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    I swear I’ve seen this exact same post come out every expansion.

    ‘Stop complaining about something that isn’t even out yet omg!’

    *SE releases the content with the exact issues people were discussing*

    ‘Stop complaining about the content that’s already out when we haven’t even seen the new expansion!'

    Like how much 'lived experience' of this exact issue happening every goddamn expansion before we're 'allowed' to complain?
    9.0? 10.0?
    Yeah, fair enough. I guess I'd just rather not make life harder for others because I'm unable to accept something. Healing isn't the best but it doesn't stop me playing with friends or enjoying the story. So I have no desire to participate in a strike that, if it gains enough traction, would cause chaos and probably create issues in other fields for the rest of the expansion. But I guess others don't see it that way.
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiTia View Post
    Yeah, fair enough. I guess I'd just rather not make life harder for others because I'm unable to accept something. Healing isn't the best but it doesn't stop me playing with friends or enjoying the story. So I have no desire to participate in a strike that, if it gains enough traction, would cause chaos and probably create issues in other fields for the rest of the expansion. But I guess others don't see it that way.
    We are simply dropping a job that we don't enjoy playing anymore, there's nothing wrong with that at all.

    Besides, as other posters have said, we're a drop in the ocean and others are eager to replace us, let them.
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    James Oakes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    We are simply dropping a job that we don't enjoy playing anymore, there's nothing wrong with that at all.

    Besides, as other posters have said, we're a drop in the ocean and others are eager to replace us, let them.
    It's such a depressing take that healers have to keep playing a role they're not having fun with so other people can enjoy the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    It's such a depressing take that healers have to keep playing a role they're not having fun with so other people can enjoy the game.
    That's what it feels like. DPS jobs seem to get fixes and changes on the run (MNK, NIN, even PLD got reworked mid expansion.) while healers have to wait for expansions to be fixed beyond numerical adjustments.

    Healers want to feel useful. That's the whole point of the "support" fantasy. You want to feel like you're contributing, you want to be there when a party faulters, you want to be there when a party struggles. But you also want to be always there. You want to always feel useful. Parties will not faulter always. So you have to design healers to be able to contribute in other ways. Buffs, debuffs, CC, direct damage even. Healers need other tools beyond healing if they want to keep feeling useful. The healer fantasy is all about "contributing". These changes make me feel not only I am not really useful, but as If I am holding my party back.
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    Eizen Aifread
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    It's such a depressing take that healers have to keep playing a role they're not having fun with so other people can enjoy the game.
    Ngl, some people here just gave me "Go back to kitchen and make me a sandwitch" vibe
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    Larc Grumbles
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    History is riddled with claims that any dissatisfied group has chosen the wrong time, method, or place to complain.

    Not to grandstand about how important FFXIV healer issues are in the wider scheme of humankind, but it's a common tactic whether people making the argument genuinely believe what they're saying or not.

    It often doesn't hold water because they wouldn't notice or care about the issue if it didn't interfere with their day or perspective in some way. It's nonviolent protest 101.

    It's absolutely fine in this case to just not worry about it and keep healing if you find your reasons, but it's not another player's job to make your queue go faster or even function at all if they don't enjoy that role.
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    Aluena Mahri
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    History is riddled with claims that any dissatisfied group has chosen the wrong time, method, or place to complain.

    Not to grandstand about how important FFXIV healer issues are in the wider scheme of humankind, but it's a common tactic whether people making the argument genuinely believe what they're saying or not.

    It often doesn't hold water because they wouldn't notice or care about the issue if it didn't interfere with their day or perspective in some way. It's nonviolent protest 101.

    It's absolutely fine in this case to just not worry about it and keep healing if you find your reasons, but it's not another player's job to make your queue go faster or even function at all if they don't enjoy that role.

    At least on a forum like this, any attempt to try and shut the conversation down, just shoots it back to the top of the forums, so more people can approach it and join the discussion.
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    Put me in the screencap
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