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  1. #6471
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    Another day, another day of tanks dominating the adventurer in need. Tanks still have instant queues, meanwhile healers have to wait.

    So much for your strike.
    Meanwhile if you look at Party Finder, almost every single group needs healers. Crazy.

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  2. #6472
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    Genuine question I've been pondering for a while now: Were the devs to put most healing tools (with one or two exceptions per job) on the GCD, would that fix the issue?
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  3. #6473
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    Genuine question I've been pondering for a while now: Were the devs to put most healing tools (with one or two exceptions per job) on the GCD, would that fix the issue?
    Sounds like a sidegrade. Like I'm pressing buttons slightly differently and weaving less? Which sounds less busy and more boring.

    Potencies would also need to be adjusted for damage so that DPS checks can still be met that required ogcd healing while DPSing before.

    I'd rather just retool other stuff personally but I'm down to see other people's input on this idea
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    it/its - 14 accessibility is bad, ease of access is not accessibility, jobs are boring. Transphobia ruins real attempts at criticism and it's whack.

  4. #6474
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    Rexipher Evergrey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    Meanwhile if you look at Party Finder, almost every single group needs healers. Crazy.


    Looks pretty green to me.
    Ofc this is not all, and there were plenty of groups with 0 healers in them.
    But that could be said with groups looking for tanks as well, and there were more that were full on tanks and healers still looking for DPS.
    In short, pretty standard when it comes to PF.
    I wish ppl could stop using DF and PF to try and prove something.
    Just play the game in a way that is fun to you without trying to make a point out of it.
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    Last edited by Evergrey; 07-08-2024 at 05:11 AM.

  5. #6475
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    Genuine question I've been pondering for a while now: Were the devs to put most healing tools (with one or two exceptions per job) on the GCD, would that fix the issue?
    Honestly it’s a hot take but I’d massively prefer this over what we have now. I want to actually cast healing spells and have to think about what I’m casting, not just slap a single oGCD button that instantly turns all nearby mangled corpses into beautiful pictures of vitality lol.

    Naturally they would never do this for like 59 million different reasons but I personally would like it better than just doing everything through oGCDs while casting dps spells 99% of the fight (being partially hyperbolic lol).
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  6. #6476
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    Looks pretty green to me.
    Ofc this is not all, and there were plenty of groups with 0 healers in them.
    But that could be said with groups looking for tanks as well, and there were more that were full on tanks and healers still looking for DPS.
    In short, pretty standard when it comes to PF.
    I wish ppl could stop using DF and PF to try and prove something.
    Just play the game in a way that is fun to you without trying to make a point out of it.
    Seems like it differs by data center. Aether is extremely lacking.
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    Last edited by Rolder50; 07-08-2024 at 06:12 AM.

  7. #6477
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    Eleasaid Seraqa
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    Genuine question I've been pondering for a while now: Were the devs to put most healing tools (with one or two exceptions per job) on the GCD, would that fix the issue?
    There are multiple issues with healers. There isn't any 1 thing that will fix the role. GCD heals generally have opportunity costs. If specifically heals from healers are made GCD, that means you're even better off depending on ogcd heals from other roles. That wouldn't fix anything. If you meant moving heals from all roles to GCD, it all depends on the exact implementation. If you meant moving specifically heals from non-healer roles to GCD, that would help restore healer as the goto role for healing. But there would still be the problem of the damage "rotations" using mostly 1 button. And quite big differences in effectiveness of the healing kits between healer job.
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  8. #6478
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    Another day, another day of tanks dominating the adventurer in need. Tanks still have instant queues, meanwhile healers have to wait.

    So much for your strike.

    I don't think I ever get an instant queue when queuing as the "in need" job.

    But I do always get instant queues on healer when tank is "in need".
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  9. #6479
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    I have noticed tanks doing this as well, it's really pathetic. Please do everyone a favor and go play an actual competitive game or at least the competitive mode in the game. It's not our fault you play a boring easy mode job.

    And I only say that because you must be super bored to think about griefing people in encounters. Its one thing if my friends do it, but we shouldn't see this behavior just anywhere.
    There's a separate thread about this and it's full of tank mains saying "lol don't die then" and "skill issue" as if they didn't make the same mistakes without dying because they can take more of a hit. They also claim they get praise and commendations for it.

    I'm noticing a very concerning uptick in this behavior lately. It's annoying the hell out of me because a good chunk of the people I see in dungeons are doing them for the first time. Some mechanics aren't immediately obvious and healers/DPS in garbage MSQ gear just are going to die, sometimes to a single failed mech.

    The majority of tanks will still wipe when asked but the number of those who don't is definitely on the rise. The cherry on top is when they also die when the boss is below 5%, effectively having wasted 5+ minutes of everyone's time.
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  10. #6480
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asari5 View Post
    apparently there are healer queueing as healer but then dont heal the tank (yeah, some random tanks, they dont care if its a sprout). and then when the tank dies they write something about healer strike.
    If someone is doing that, report them. It has been said countless times both here and on the Discord that people should not do that because it's griefing and not fair to the other players in the instance.
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