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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Strigine View Post
    I for one don't mind if content can be cleared with no healers, as long as that remains the less optimal way. I believe there needs to be something that makes having at least one healer a better choice than an extra DPS or tank, even for veterans running casual content or farm parties. As things are now, it isn't so strange that many healer mains are feeling bored or left out.
    This, honestly.

    No one really cares that regular dungeon content can be done without healers, what makes it bad is that dropping a healer in dungeons is optimal. If it was unoptimal and the team just struggles the entire dungeon like a challenge run, then there's really no issue. But dropping an entire part of the trinity should not be optimal.
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    WeakestZenosEnjoyer's Avatar
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    Scrappy Moonlord
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    When you're missing a piece of the trinity you should feel like you're missing it.

    This is true of tanks, their passive and active mitigation goes really far and they're increasingly self sustaining murder balls, something exceedingly valuable for any dungeon run.

    This is true of DPS, you're not getting anywhere quickly without at least one competent DPS, we've all had those runs where both are asleep at the wheel and a trash pack takes two minutes.

    This simply isn't true of healers, every tank except DRK can spot heal and many DPS have both self and party heals to pick up the slack.
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    Tunda King
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer View Post
    When you're missing a piece of the trinity you should feel like you're missing it.

    This is true of tanks, their passive and active mitigation goes really far and they're increasingly self sustaining murder balls, something exceedingly valuable for any dungeon run.

    This is true of DPS, you're not getting anywhere quickly without at least one competent DPS, we've all had those runs where both are asleep at the wheel and a trash pack takes two minutes.

    This simply isn't true of healers, every tank except DRK can spot heal and many DPS have both self and party heals to pick up the slack.
    20% reduce damage taken as passive for all tanks feels booooring..

    why not just give paladin passive increase defense, warrior life steal when attacking.. exc
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    Minu Byte
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    This, honestly.

    No one really cares that regular dungeon content can be done without healers, what makes it bad is that dropping a healer in dungeons is optimal. If it was unoptimal and the team just struggles the entire dungeon like a challenge run, then there's really no issue. But dropping an entire part of the trinity should not be optimal.
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
    Because DF enforces a healer

    It’s more effort to go into PF and make a PF for a random dungeon dropping the healer than it is to actually just DF it and bring a healer. The problem comes in that it being optimal to not being a healer flows into the entire design elements in that the enforced healer in DF often feels useless

    If DF gave me the option to queue as a healer and if I get a WAR allow me to swap to PCT I’d take it 100 times out of 100
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
    Do you realise how stupid this argument sounds?

    BLM is optimal, why isn't everyone using it?
    MNK is optimal, why isn't everyone using it?
    SCH is optimal, why isn't everyone using it?
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    Hoon Tahtoo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
    I did a lot of expert runs with 1T3D last summer, provided my FC were available. If there was an option in duty finder to queue like that I would choose it over 1T1H2D because it's faster and expert roulette is just a tomestone chore. I only queued healer for expert roulette if I really wanted to not think or play the game but I needed to get a few tomes before weekly reset in order to not fall behind my static on gear.
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    Raven Nightshade
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    Seraph
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
    Well

    A. Its enfroced
    B. so what if everyone else isnt doing it lol half this world doesnt spend their nights enjoying the graveyard but it doesnt make it an amazing place to go to at night to read and wait

    c. If everyone else in the world isnt eatting meat does that mean meat is bad lol of course not its amazing

    Numbers and majority mean nothing lol
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