#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

Regardless let’s take strikers experience as the “average DF healer” experience

Assuming this is normal that still shouldn’t preclude the role from having a higher ceiling for those who can easily exceed the floor

No other roles “skill ceiling” is “play harder content” and this also doesn’t fix the fact healer is the most boring role in harder content as well

It’s amazing to me that asking for a somewhat fun skill ceiling in casual content for an entire role is so controversial

[Morgana96]

A weaver is on a boat. He sees a hole in the boat and it's taking on water.

"Hey Captain, the boat is sinking!"
"Well, do you know how to fix it?"
"No."
"The boat isn't sinking then. Shut up."

That's you. That's what you sound like.

No offense, but "sinking boat" really doesn't make for a good analogy to this. If anything, it oversimplifies your own strikes problems.

It's not a sinking boat. It's a boat the strikers believe isn't designed well. There are features on the boats you think aren't necessary, and other features you think need to be added. But the issue is that those feelings not universal, as other passengers actually like the boat the way it is now, and while more still simply think only a few changes are needed.

Furthermore, the strikers are also claiming that completely different boats are in possession of things that only their boats should be allowed to have. They are demanding that those boats also be changed.

What you're asking for is not the devs plugging a hole in a single boat. You're asking them to completely overall the entire fleet to your tastes. A task that would be extremely difficult, time consuming, and risky, especially when the demands being made aren't even universally agreed upon.

[Aravell]

It’s amazing to me that asking for a somewhat fun skill ceiling in casual content for an entire role is so controversial

When an entire role has been relegated to the Netflix and Chill role, obviously some people would be unwilling to give it up.

It's like if you give someone a medal for showing up everyday and then one day you suddenly want them to do a small task to get that medal, they're obviously going to push back on that.

[Isala]

When an entire role has been relegated to the Netflix and Chill role, obviously some people would be unwilling to give it up.

It's like if you give someone a medal for showing up everyday and then one day you suddenly want them to do a small task to get that medal, they're obviously going to push back on that.

I mean, it makes sense it's the Netflix and Chill role. Healers have been getting screwed for expansions.

[ty_taurus]

As we all know, healer strikers are both exclusively hyper casuals that don't understand savage and ultimate balance, and are also exclusively raiders that don't understand the plights of casual players.

[Shibi]

I had to giggle at this:

[Verathel]

I do not understand, why do people want healer's DPS to be more engaging? Is it because FF14 is more mechanically inclined in content versus other games rather than raw numbers? In WOW people just want healer's to DPS with anything they got in harder content and couldn't care less about their rotation as long as the buttons are pressed.

I personally would prefer healing to be a little more intense x1000 times more before I would care whether I pressed Glare and Dia all day everyday.

[ty_taurus]

I do not understand, why do people want healer's DPS to be more engaging? Is it because FF14 is more mechanically inclined in content versus other games rather than raw numbers? In WOW people just want healer's to DPS with anything they got in harder content and couldn't care less about their rotation as long as the buttons are pressed.

I personally would prefer healing to be a little more intense x1000 times more before I would care whether I pressed Glare and Dia all day everyday.

Well, we spend somewhere between 80%-100% of our GCDs on DPS generally speaking, so wanting that to not be almost exclusively 1 button I don't think is that unreasonable. But one thing I'd like more people to recognize is that there are players like me who get enjoyment out of balancing healing and DPSing together. I don't want to just DPS. I want to have an engaging set of DPS tools that I have to make sacrifices with to heal when the party needs my help, and to have to make those choices on the fly. I don't just want to heal because I want to engage with the enemy and help my teammates take them down.

That's why I continue to ask for a range of healers, where Sage can become the healer who has a small rotation that feels DPS-like while the other healers approach their damage contributions differently. And I would like for there to be a healer with a set of DPS tools designed to not feel like DPS at all and instead feel like support specifically for the people who stand opposite to me--who want to play a job that spends the majority of their time focusing on their teammates rather than the enemy.

It is entirely possible for both to exist and be balanced with one another as long as the numbers align.

[TheDustyOne]

I do not understand, why do people want healer's DPS to be more engaging? Is it because FF14 is more mechanically inclined in content versus other games rather than raw numbers? In WOW people just want healer's to DPS with anything they got in harder content and couldn't care less about their rotation as long as the buttons are pressed.

I personally would prefer healing to be a little more intense x1000 times more before I would care whether I pressed Glare and Dia all day everyday.

It largely has to do with the games history; we've had a more involved damage rotation in the past while also being more healing intensive compared to today. SCH used to have access to Broil, Miasma, Miasma II, Bio, Shadowflare and Bane; back in HW that would also include cross-class spells like Blizzard II and Thunder. WHM had Stone, Aero and Aero III, not much but it broke the filler spam more often, and because of WHM focus on GCD healing, it further broke up that spam (albeit that was something of a weakness back in SB, something the revamped lillies fixed). AST had a more involved card system to keep us occupied; being able to burn cards to affect the next card played, being able to store a card for later use, increasing the buff duration of those cards, etc.

In comparison, the abundance of oGCD heals means our GCD heals have less value, we don't press those GCD heals as much and instead press our filler in its place. The simplification of the DPS kit means that instead of upkeeping multiple DoTs, we press our filler more. Couple that with the lack of incoming damage over the past couple of expansions, we now press our filler for a large amount of any given fight, including savage and ultimate.

Stormblood is seen as the good middle ground for accessibility compared to Heavenswards complexity, healers had more dangerous spots they were expected to heal, and could stay occupied with more to do when there wasn't anything to heal. The balance now has tipped to where we have too much healing available in our kits, and not enough incoming damage to stress that kit. If content was balanced to where that kit was stressed all the time in a fight, you'd alienate casual players from being able to participate, not even ultimates go so far as to make us heal for 50%+ of a fight.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I do not understand, why do people want healer's DPS to be more engaging? Is it because FF14 is more mechanically inclined in content versus other games rather than raw numbers? In WOW people just want healer's to DPS with anything they got in harder content and couldn't care less about their rotation as long as the buttons are pressed.

I personally would prefer healing to be a little more intense x1000 times more before I would care whether I pressed Glare and Dia all day everyday.

I'd also like to expand on what other's had explained as well.

Another reason why you're likely to come across to players asking for more dps options in EN forums is because the commonly recognized talking point that is skill floor vs skill ceiling. Do veteran healers wants more healing to do? Absolutely. I don't speak for everybody, but things like Harrowing Hell even in normal mode was a pleasant, enjoyable treat for me. I'd love to get more of those. But play enough times in your regular DF contents, you'll soon realize how this might be disastrous for inexperienced healers for obvious reasons: they couldn't/knows not how to handle these increased HPS requirement. To heal and keep your allies alive is the floor for the role. Because well... we're healers - we're supposed to "heal first dps second". Everything else comes seconds. Paradoxically, even if they do increase the HPS requirement for newer tier/expac, SE also decided to ramp up collective HPS potential across entire roster incl. non healers (looking at you Shake it Off, new MNK & SMN AoE Heal, PCT barriers) so that 'increase' is immediately rendered moot. But if they're not, then where are we going to use our new shiny healing button?

So, what now? We're not healing more (We want more). We're not buffing more (which would be nice if we have that but SE hates giving us utilities + maybe AST but that has been trimmed further come DT it's almost a moot aspect). We're not debilitating enemies (again, would be nice but past example: our Virus was distributed away from our hands). What are we supposed to do besides our monotonous 1 button spam - which to add insult to the injury, all healer has the same exact fillers? I guess a race of who's to get break their nuke hotkey first... or weave /doze every GCD? XD