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スレッド: #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  1. #31
    Player
    Jojoya's Avatar
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Coeurl
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    I understand the frustration but...

    The average player is paying no attention to this. There will still be players healing when Dawntrail is released and Duty Support to use if queue times are long. The only stumbling block would be the trials, assuming SE isn't giving them the level 89 trial treatment.

    For the sake of discussion, let's assume you could get the average player to join in on the strike. If healers truly aren't needed in content, why would a strike even get noticed? Players can pre-form their parties to avoid the Duty Finder role restrictions after all.

    Good luck to you. I'll still be healing for Dawntrail because most of those I play with can't make it through the content without a healer and I'm not going to screw over their game experience just because the developers can't figure out how to create a satisfying healer experience for the high end crowd. I do genuinely sympathize but having a good time with my friends is more of a priority for me.

    Quote 引用元:Aravell 投稿を閲覧
    That pull was actually difficult back in HW and was very easy to wipe on. If only they could give us a modern version of that, something that can actually stress the healer and eat through their resources.
    Get your tanks to stop using their active defensive and healing abilities. I was healing a tank that used 0 defensives through Tower of Zot the other night. Can't remember the last time I had to use so many GCD heals.
    (27)
    2024/06/09 13:12; Jojoya が最後に編集

  2. #32
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    EusisLandale's Avatar
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    2015/01/24
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    Eira Landale
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    Cactuar
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    暗黒騎士 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Aravell 投稿を閲覧
    Many people forget Baelsar's Wall. That extremely spicy pull with multiple archers firing DoTs on random people and the mechs tethering to people along with all the classic AoE spam.

    That pull was actually difficult back in HW and was very easy to wipe on. If only they could give us a modern version of that, something that can actually stress the healer and eat through their resources.
    Amaurot had some trash that would lock on to DPS and stack fire vulnerability, killing them if it went on too long, or on to healers and reduce the healing they could do. That is the last dungeon I can think of that did anything like that.
    (9)

  3. #33
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    学者 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Jojoya 投稿を閲覧
    I understand the frustration but...

    The average player is paying no attention to this. There will still be players healing when Dawntrail is released and Duty Support to use if queue times are long. The only stumbling block would be the trials, assuming SE isn't giving them the level 89 trial treatment.

    For the sake of discussion, let's assume you could get the average player to join in on the strike. If healers truly aren't needed in content, why would a strike even get noticed? Players can pre-form their parties to avoid the Duty Finder role restrictions after all.

    Good luck to you. I'll still be healing for Dawntrail because most of those I play with can't make it through the content without a healer and I'm not going to screw over their game experience just because the developers can't figure out how to create a satisfying healer experience for the high end crowd. I do genuinely sympathize but having a good time with my friends is more of a priority for me.
    “I’m not going to screw over their experience because the developers can’t……..”

    So you are basically saying healers are a functional enforced burden on the party that doesn’t get to have fun, they are just there to facilitate others fun

    Do you not see a problem here
    (35)
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  4. #34
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    AnnRam's Avatar
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    Mizuru Goh
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    Balmung
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    I'm totally satisfied with the new changes.

    If you don't need to heal then you can focus in other tasks like dpsing or using emotes , type moral support or watch a movie or something in YT, no other job allows you to do it.
    (7)

  5. #35
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    I disagree that it's high end healers that want changes to healer. I think the vast majority of players could arguably survive without one, in casual content, after their first time playing the content. And that's a problem when the game is predicated around repeating content over and over for 2+ years.

    In other words, it's casual healers, mid core healers, and high end healers.
    (11)

  6. 2024/06/09 13:14

  7. #36
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote 引用元:AnnRam 投稿を閲覧
    I'm totally satisfied with the new changes.

    If you don't need to heal then you can focus in other tasks like dpsing or using emotes , type moral support or watch a movie or something in YT, no other job allows you to do it.
    Go do other things during the break periods has now become “do other things while playing the game”
    (8)
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #37
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    SerMicha's Avatar
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    Ser Micha
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    Malboro
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    白魔道士 Lv 91
    I hope this takes off. Of course there are always going to be people who run healer, but here's hoping some DPS get unbearably long queue times, tries swapping to healer, and realizes for themselves how terribly boring it is.
    (13)

  9. #38
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    EusisLandale's Avatar
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    Eira Landale
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    Cactuar
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    暗黒騎士 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Jojoya 投稿を閲覧
    Get your tanks to stop using their active defensive and healing abilities. I was healing a tank that used 0 defensives through Tower of Zot the other night. Can't remember the last time I had to use so many GCD heals.
    A tank not doing their job gets noticed, yes.
    Meanwhile I've had more than a few dungeons runs where, upon entry, I get told to not heal. First couple times it happened, I just sat there and watched, hoping for the tank to hit the ground. They never did. All I did was follow behind the group doing nothing, and nobody noticed anything out of the ordinary.
    (8)

  10. #39
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Quote 引用元:Supersnow845 投稿を閲覧
    While I fully support this I’ve come to realise it’s pointless

    And that’s not because of a lack of feedback from us or a lack of visibility on our feedback or anything of that effect

    It is simply the fact that healer mains are the only people in the game who even want healers to exist in this game

    Ask a DPS, ask a tank, ask anyone who doesn’t have a strong opinion on healers if they prefer the healer healing or the tank doing it for the healer and 99.9% of those people will say they prefer the WAR doing it

    That’s why they don’t respond to our feedback, they are designing this game for the majority of people who play who would just prefer it the healer role didn’t exist
    Like I said to the last poster I responded to, it is understandable that you feel this way. We are now going into a third expansion where healers have been treated poorly and neglected, with each expansion being worse than the last. This is all the more reason to strike. It gives you the power to truly say you're just not going to do it anymore. It's your ability to stick it to the players and developers you have just spoken of. The only other option you have is to take it, like you have been taking it for the last two expansion. You continuing to play the role and continuing to sub only shows your support for the direction they have gone. The strike allows you take a stand while still keeping your sub intact.

    I have read many of your posts, and have had many conversations with you, both in agreement and disagreement. Either way, I have always valued your contributions. I know how long you have found the state of healing unfavorable to those who truly value what this role should bring to the table. You don't have to do it any more. Liberate yourself.

    I know it's a long shot. Strikes have always had a low rate of a favorable turnout for those who are striking, but they have worked in the past and it's because enough people participated to make an impact. When the house rules, sometimes the only way to win is not to play.
    (18)

  11. #40
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    Sensui's Avatar
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    Angra Mainyu
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    Midgardsormr
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    剣術士 Lv 100
    I've also had the opposite where a tank couldn't manage cooldowns and died. So, which is it? Tank or healer issue?
    (3)

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