#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Myrany]

This is a player problem not a design problem though. You could give jobs the most fun, engaging rotations and buttons but if some players refuse to engage with their tools you can't really force them to.

If your healer refuses to perform their role, you report and move on. Healers being designed with 1 nuke button and 20 healing skills doesn't make them "heal more".

I agree actually but this sort of thing really could be part of the reason there is so much pushback to the strike. There is a fairly common perception I am seeing being muttered about in game. Some DPS players that have little sympathy with the healers situation since they don't perceive many healers as doing their role as it is.

Before I get attacked I have repeatedly in this thread supported you guys and the strike. I still do. I am just reporting what I am hearing in game and trying to do it in a civil manner.

[IDontPetLalas]

I agree actually but this sort of thing really could be part of the reason there is so much pushback to the strike. There is a fairly common perception I am seeing being muttered about in game. Some DPS players that have little sympathy with the healers situation since they don't perceive many healers as doing their role as it is.

Before I get attacked I have repeatedly in this thread supported you guys and the strike. I still do. I am just reporting what I am hearing in game and trying to do it in a civil manner.

I believe that there are players in any role that don't live up to certain expectation, healers are no exception. Nor does vague reference of "fairly common" perceptions means much, with all due respect. This has likely existed from some players for years, I could also point to the same for other roles, so what would you suggest that healers do? Just stay quiet because some players aren't perfect? Sounds rather hypocritical honestly when that bar is not set for other roles.

[Myrany]

I believe that there are players in any role that don't live up to certain expectation, healers are no exception. Nor does vague reference of "fairly common" perceptions means much, with all due respect. This has likely existed from some players for years, I could also point to the same for other roles, so what would you suggest that healers do? Just stay quiet because some players aren't perfect? Sounds rather hypocritical honestly when that bar is not set for other roles.

I wasn't asking healers to do anything. Simply reporting the grumbling I am hearing in the game itself so you maybe have an idea where some of the pushback is coming from. If you are not interested that is fine. Ignore my post.

Yes all roles have their issues with failing to perform. This is a thread about healers. I am trying to help not fight with you guys.

[IDontPetLalas]

I wasn't asking healers to do anything. Simply reporting the grumbling I am hearing in the game itself so you maybe have an idea where some of the pushback is coming from. If you are not interested that is fine. Ignore my post.

Yes all roles have their issues with failing to perform. This is a thread about healers. I am trying to help not fight with you guys.

I'll try again. It isn't anything that hasn't been reported, given what we just said (all roles have issues with failing to perform) in the past 10 years, I'm not surprised that someone will say " I had a glaremage, healer didn't even have esuna on their hotbar, was watching Netflix" and more, amongst the size of the player population that we have. I'm not fighting with you, my point is literally- if you're posting this - imagine that you were invested in the healerstrike, what would you do with the information that you provided? how do you think it's going to help healers?

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

They can't stop extending the RDM sword chain until we're at VerUltima and only then will it be complete.

/s

[Myrany]

I'll try again. It isn't anything that hasn't been reported, given what we just said (all roles have issues with failing to perform) in the past 10 years, I'm not surprised that someone will say " I had a glaremage, healer didn't even have esuna on their hotbar, was watching Netflix" and more, amongst the size of the player population that we have. I'm not fighting with you, my point is literally- if you're posting this - imagine that you were invested in the healerstrike, what would you do with the information that you provided? how do you think it's going to help healers?

I would be aware at least having been provided with the information that this is a quarter the pushback is coming from. Not everyone is aware. Information is always good. You know the ground you are fighting from better.

Now if you want me to bow out of the thread because I no longer heal? Fine just ask I will. I am trying to contribute what I can where I can. Nothing more.

[PercibelTheren]

I agree actually but this sort of thing really could be part of the reason there is so much pushback to the strike. There is a fairly common perception I am seeing being muttered about in game. Some DPS players that have little sympathy with the healers situation since they don't perceive many healers as doing their role as it is.

Before I get attacked I have repeatedly in this thread supported you guys and the strike. I still do. I am just reporting what I am hearing in game and trying to do it in a civil manner.

Yeah, bad healers exist. That's the one thing that's annoying me about switching to DPS. I am LOVING Dancer. However, the healers I get in my roulettes are a mixed bag. I have had some absolutely amazing ones, most of them were perfectly passable and some who were asleep at the wheel. It's giving me the "I guess if I want something done well, I need to do it myself" feeling. But I refuse to go back to healing, at least for a long while, because it burned me out for months at a time.

[ZephyrMenodora]

some who were asleep at the wheel

I've had healers apologize for letting people die because they completely admitted to being asleep at the wheel, just in a Glare-trance and not paying attention whatsoever. They literally will say "Sorry didn't notice" as they spam their dps skill. At this point healers don't even feel like they need to look at HP bars at times.

Design that allows healers to mostly get away with this in many circumstances needs to be looked at.

It's not even always malicious, sometimes it's just an honest mistake - one caused by the game's design IMO.

[MisterNublet]

I've had healers apologize for letting people die because they completely admitted to being asleep at the wheel, just in a Glare-trance and not paying attention whatsoever. They literally will say "Sorry didn't notice" as they spam their dps skill. At this point healers don't even feel like they need to look at HP bars at times.

Design that allows healers to mostly get away with this in many circumstances needs to be looked at.

It's not even always malicious, sometimes it's just an honest mistake - one caused by the game's design IMO.

Also literally falling asleep behind the keyboard. The amount of times I've nodded off while doing msq dungeons and expert, you'd think I'd have narcolepsy. Nope, just healer gameplay.

[PercibelTheren]

I've had healers apologize for letting people die because they completely admitted to being asleep at the wheel, just in a Glare-trance and not paying attention whatsoever. They literally will say "Sorry didn't notice" as they spam their dps skill. At this point healers don't even feel like they need to look at HP bars at times.

Design that allows healers to mostly get away with this in many circumstances needs to be looked at.

It's not even always malicious, sometimes it's just an honest mistake - one caused by the game's design IMO.

I'm guilty of nearly letting tanks drop dead, too. Usually Warriors. I'm so used to them requiring zero input from me that I'm there spamming my AoE and the tank is nearly dead before I realize they didn't use Bloodwhetting.