#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Gullis]

so, is there equality in this strike? i see that healers want better dps tool kits, that i can agree with, but, are healers actively asking for others to have less heal toolkit? i feel that is very hypocritical, why do heals get to be best of all worlds in this idealistic scenario, if you want non role abilities removed from others wouldn't you too be loosing your precious dps toolkit?

I think everyone would be fine with that, IF we actually had to use heals for most of the encounters. As Isala said, I think most ppl, me included just want SOMETHING! I don't personally care if its more dps options or harder healing requirements.

I'm more in the dps toolkit camp, simply because its just a more realistic option with the way fight design works in this game.

[S4M4EL]

so, is there equality in this strike? i see that healers want better dps tool kits, that i can agree with, but, are healers actively asking for others to have less heal toolkit? i feel that is very hypocritical, why do heals get to be best of all worlds in this idealistic scenario, if you want non role abilities removed from others wouldn't you too be loosing your precious dps toolkit?

im all for healers getting more rotation and having fun, but i am not going back to HW where 1 out of every 10 healers even knew how to play, or cared enough to try, and every dungeon/trial was a 2 hour long catastrophe..

i just dont get a lot of the points being made as its all a hyperbole of we deserve everything and you get nothing, and if thats the case ill just go back to ignoring yalls petty strike.

I think its just a mix of issues lol:

Healing DPS "rotation" is bland and repetitive (1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-2) but it was turned into this because healers should focus more on healing than DPS, however, content doesn't seem to require much healing, so healers have a lot of "spare time" to DPS and the only thing they can do is to repeat "1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-2".
Thanks to that they want more DPS tools or at least a reworked DPS rotation so it doesn't feel as boring and repetitive.

On top of that other jobs are getting more healing/sustain tools and that makes healers need to heal even less which exacerbates the problem.
It's basically a snowball

[Wildheaven182]

so, is there equality in this strike? i see that healers want better dps tool kits, that i can agree with, but, are healers actively asking for others to have less heal toolkit? i feel that is very hypocritical, why do heals get to be best of all worlds in this idealistic scenario, if you want non role abilities removed from others wouldn't you too be loosing your precious dps toolkit?

im all for healers getting more rotation and having fun, but i am not going back to HW where 1 out of every 10 healers even knew how to play, or cared enough to try, and every dungeon/trial was a 2 hour long catastrophe..

i just dont get a lot of the points being made as its all a hyperbole of we deserve everything and you get nothing, and if thats the case ill just go back to ignoring yalls petty strike.

No, its more just about outliers like bloodwhetting and perhaps red mage being able to raise 4 or so times in a row with dualcast. I like other classes having more to offer than just dps, and self reliance is important too for solo instances and overworld stuff like fates.
The issue is more just that there should be enough damage output to warrant the use of all the heal bloat, and theres never anything to cleanse anymore. Mana management is gone, and so is aggro management and these were all interactive for healer gameplay.

[KitiaraIornsight]

No, its more just about outliers like bloodwhetting and perhaps red mage being able to raise 4 or so times in a row with dualcast. I like other classes having more to offer than just dps, and self reliance is important too for solo instances and overworld stuff like fates.
The issue is more just that there should be enough damage output to warrant the use of all the heal bloat, and theres never anything to cleanse anymore. Mana management is gone, and so is aggro management and these were all interactive for healer gameplay.

Never anything to cleanse? There have been multiple level 90 dungeons where there is a doom or poision that has to be cleansed or someone dies. Dead ends is one, the Lunar Subterare is one. Are you one of those healers that lets someone drop and raise instead. To claim there is nothing to cleanse is false and my biggest complaint on the rare instance I DON'T go in on my healer is the number of healers that don't use Esuna and there is plenty that it will remove..... like doom, or paralyze, or whatever and instead choose to let the person affected drop because of it.

[Isala]

Never anything to cleanse? There have been multiple level 90 dungeons where there is a doom or poision that has to be cleansed or someone dies. Dead ends is one, the Lunar Subterare is one. Are you one of those healers that lets someone drop and raise instead. To claim there is nothing to cleanse is false and my biggest complaint on the rare instance I DON'T go in on my healer is the number of healers that don't use Esuna and there is plenty that it will remove..... like doom, or paralyze, or whatever and instead choose to let the person affected drop because of it.

You are using examples from situations where people get a Doom from bad play. Nothing in the Dead Ends gives you Doom if you don't stand in mechanics. Use something like Dun Scaithe that actually applies it as a mechanic, or Exdeath. But even then, the vast majority of content does not.

[KitiaraIornsight]

You are using examples from situations where people get a Doom from bad play. Nothing in the Dead Ends gives you Doom if you don't stand in mechanics. Use something like Dun Scaithe that actually applies it as a mechanic, or Exdeath. But even then, the vast majority of content does not.

Really? You're going to use the excuse of someone stood in the bad. Holy crap, that's why healers exist for when people are human and screw up to save them from it. And there we have it folks, healers are boring jobs because no one should ever mess up mechanics..... so when pointing out when healers need to use their kits, that doesn't count.

[Isala]

Really? You're going to use the excuse of someone stood in the bad. Holy crap, that's why healers exist for when people are human and screw up to save them from it. And there we have it folks, healers are boring jobs because no one should ever mess up mechanics..... so when pointing out when healers need to use their kits, that doesn't count.

Dropping a single Esuna instead of a Glare does not engaging content make. As someone who regularly plays bard, sometimes the healer doesn't even have to bother with that, as I've already taken care of it.

[Kozmakis]

Ah, there must be a misunderstanding. I'm not assuming that the only people who share these viewpoints are those that appear in this forum. That would be mathematically impossible. I'm saying that the threads seen here can't be used as a representative to indicate the audience as a whole, because they represent too small of a numerical value to reflect the majority of the audience. Hence, the topics seen here express a very small minority of the gaming audience as a whole. AKA, there is nowhere near enough traffic in this thread to state the feelings expressed here represent how the majority feel within the gaming bloc.

Thanks for clarifying, I believe that is a fair assumption and agree with you! I can only speak for myself - I support what I believe to be right, even if I am the only one doing it, so numbers don't matter to me. If we are just a small portion, then queues will not be affected, so no need for the drama at all. I will make my decision to change roles - not out of spite, but to have fun playing

[Kira619]

Thanks for clarifying, I believe that is a fair assumption and agree with you! I can only speak for myself - I support what I believe to be right, even if I am the only one doing it, so numbers don't matter to me. If we are just a small portion, then queues will not be affected, so no need for the drama at all. I will make my decision to change roles - not out of spite, but to have fun playing

Thank you! And I have no problem with those wanting to do the strike to express their concerns, just to be clear. Ultimately it all comes down to differences of opinions on how the game is and there are certain aspects that people won't agree upon, which is perfectly fine. I only wanted to clarify a few things that I was seeing in this thread which was why I responded. I kept seeing things like:


Why are people posting against the values of the Op - To me it was simple, there are posters who disagree with the game needing to be more challenging, that tank migitation need to be reduced, and that dps needed to have their healing removed. I know summoners heal like absolute garbage. I get more HP back from an X-potion than my actual healing spell. The one saving grace we get is our raise if both of the healers go down (which definitely happens often in raids and trials from my experience.) Had the strike been solely about beefing up healer's DPS, I don't think there would be anywhere close to as much pushback from posters.


The regular belittering of those who enjoy more accessible content by some posters - Hence I posted why this is partially why it won't go anywhere. This isn't WoW. That's a Wow logic and the devs wants to maintain it's accessibility for others.


Why there hasn't been much results seen tailoring towards the feedback seen in this forum - Me highlighting the reasons why


Etc.


So now that I provided my opinion on why those things were the way they are, I'm ready to bow out of the conversation.



Happy Striking!

[Kes13a]

I would like to take this moment to thank all the new healers who are stepping up to fill the queues since many in this thread will not be party healing in DawnTrail.

it is a big responsibility and commitment, and since I, and others will be maining a DPS role, thank you for making our queues shorter compared to what they would be with 2 new DPS classes.

thank you for your efforts and joining the ranks of healers. have fun ^^