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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    I mean...I don't think that's entirely unreasonable? Those traits are worse than useless right now because they're a noob trap for newbie healers who don't know better than trying to fish for the procs. At least moving them to the damage spell would encourage people to use it.
    You don't want to be using Cure II, and definitely not Benefic II. You are just substituting one "noob trap" for another.

    Putting them on the damage filler is also equivalent to just upgrading Ben 2 and Cure 2 straight up. You're going to get the proc nearly every GCD? What's the point? Under what scenario are you going to make the conscious decision to use Glare just so you can proc Freecure??
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    You don't want to be using Cure II, and definitely not Benefic II. You are just substituting one "noob trap" for another.

    Putting them on the damage filler is also equivalent to just upgrading Ben 2 and Cure 2 straight up. You're going to get the proc nearly every GCD? What's the point? Under what scenario are you going to make the conscious decision to use Glare just so you can proc Freecure??
    I believe the idea is a low level design aspect

    If you can show people that doing damage provides positive outcomes to their healing (free cure 2’s) then it would encourage new people to do damage during downtime rather than spam cure 1

    I dont think it was ever meant as a useful skill above 50
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I believe the idea is a low level design aspect

    If you can show people that doing damage provides positive outcomes to their healing (free cure 2’s) then it would encourage new people to do damage during downtime rather than spam cure 1

    I dont think it was ever meant as a useful skill above 50
    All this does is teach new healers that you better exploit that freecure proc you got from the damage spell since it's glowy and shiny. Instead of curebots you'll just get people who do the rotation Stone -> Cure II -> Stone -> Cure II -> Stone -> Cure II.

    I know people are all going to jump up and say "but that's better than spamming Cure 1!"

    No, because you have still fundamentally not taught them how to become a good healer. Good healing is not about doing damage. Good healing is about learning to use your resources as efficiently as possible. Giving free Cure II is literally the exact opposite of that. You are encouraging them with a shiny dotted lines glowing around Cure II to use something that they do not need to use at all. You're incentivizing wasteful usage of a key resource - the GCD.

    The blight that has been unleashed on the healing community back in Stormblood is the idea that the primary skill to acquire as a top healer is the ability to do damage. That is completely wrong. The primary skill to acquire is to intuitively understand damage patterns and have a good sense of where to use what healing tools. Your damage then naturally follows as long as you ABC. You optimize damage on healer by focusing on healing efficiency.

    Of course, in EW this probably barely matters anymore since they gutted the entire role so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    You don't want to be using Cure II, and definitely not Benefic II. You are just substituting one "noob trap" for another.

    Putting them on the damage filler is also equivalent to just upgrading Ben 2 and Cure 2 straight up. You're going to get the proc nearly every GCD? What's the point? Under what scenario are you going to make the conscious decision to use Glare just so you can proc Freecure??
    You have a very good point. It would only work at the very low levels and probably also teach bad habits, just different ones.
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