#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Eraden]

you realize there is a large OLDER player base to this game, as in there are people with disabilites as well that will be locked out of the game if the floor is moved up too much beyond what it is. People in their 50s and 60s who play but don't have the reaction times of young ones in this game? People with disabilites that want to enjoy the normal content.

Mao is one of those peoples. Mao is old and has Parkinson's Disease. Mao knows there will come a time when Mao will no longer be able to play game. This makes Mao sad. For now though, Mao oks because trusts and difficulty selection for MSQ lets Mao be able to still play. Mao nots want MSQ and dungeons tied to MSQ to be turned into DDR style twitch fests. On other claw, Mao nots want see higher levels of contents likes raids and Savage made easy. Is should be hard things to do for young healthy peoples whats has the skills to do thems. Mao nots mind nots being able do raids and Savage. Mao has other things like the gatherings that Mao likes. The gatherings restricted by MSQ though so if MSQ gets too hard, Mao no can even do the gatherings anymore. Mao sad.

[KageTokage]

I'm not sure why people even engage with this topic in this first place if they're really so wholly convinced it's not going to matter.

It comes across as the opposite if they feel the need to keep aggressively downplaying it.

[Stormhold]

Sorry, I'll shorten Quotes to meet character quota:

I'm gonna go out a limb and ... how it destroys the game. I bet it won't.

Homogenization is natural way to prevent some roles from being gatekept. If You want example of roles gatekeeping, please look at this: GW2 Raid Stats - I can't even underestiamate how much not healing as druid was "bad" back then, when "jobs" had "Unique" buffs instead of global "Boons" (Universal buffs every class can self and party provide). By divering Jobs unfavorably people will make PF listings with Jobs they consider viable, and in theory all AST will have 2-3 times harder time of doing PUG runs.
ATM, I believe White mages were unloved child of StB.

Allow me to amend-- the first post is not useless. Are you happy now?

I will when it will be more informative. It is idea which will benefit Your casue anyway. Need to make detailed list more visible.

And vice versa.

And vice versa. Need to see DT Raids and EX before I can side with You.

I've never played WoW and as far as healers not being used ... he is acknowledging that problem (a little too late, but better late than never).

Disgusting because it is Character/Personal attack. I prefer to challenge ideas, because in actual debate, where both parties can try to see own views from lens of opponent truth can be reach. Ad hominem is instant kill to such ways.
As WoW player I'll say that exactly problem I see, people calling for a solutions which will lead to WoW Mythic+ healers. It was not fun, it was stresful, it was always my fault despite some else can't "Check the cast". And what do You think about Heroic Dungeons during BFA? It was even easier that FFXIV. First Heroic dungeon I queued in BFA after a break - Tank and 1 DPS rocket boosted ahead of me (healer) and cleared the dungeon before I could find correct path to bosses. Thx God I wasn't kicked.
As far as I can see:
1 Button dps* - Partially valid, but it will be long back and forth why it's both yes and no. It also sounds lucrative when You have nothing to heal, but will turn into pain in the ass when high damage comes. (Mistweaver Monk from WoW Legion says hell. And hello)
More damage - Mostly not valid. Criterion and Savages already whoop ass to average Joe. Am I stupified when I see Ice Mage/Cure 1/Freestyler sam in Expert 90? Ofc I am, but what can I do but leave. If clueless healer will be a blocker for dungeon progress, they will be kicked, and they won't be able to do duty with players which will result in Duty Support usage or Quiting the game alltogether. Having enough sustain on tanks alliviate need to replace bad healer and I have no idea why DRK do not fit this logic. Ultimates should not be giggled with 0-1 healer, this is on design team to figure out.

[SargeTheSeagull]

Quick aside: funny how on Reddit/YT people keep saying that this is a nonissue and “it’s literally four people” meanwhile we’re at 456 pages in a week

[1313]

Quick aside: funny how on Reddit/YT people keep saying that this is a nonissue and “it’s literally four people” meanwhile we’re at 456 pages in a week

This is not an issue anyone needs to be concerned about, this is just a big meme for everyone to laugh at.

[TsubameMikage]

This is not an issue anyone needs to be concerned about

I am concerned about it. And I've cancelled my sub and pre-order because I have no desire to continue to give my money to a company that doesn't want to provide an engaging gameplay experience.

I am that concerned, that I logged into the official forums for the first time to show my support.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

in the short term I fully expect any healer shortage to just lead more people into becoming healers, not enough to make queues not suck but they'll pop eventually, game won't collapse because I'm playing VPR/PIC/RDM.

it's the long term that's less clear, if they find from playing healers regularly that 1-1-1 gaming actually does just suck we end up assimilating them.

[Aneshda]

All this madness here made me think I should Level first my White Mage and then all other Healers. :P

[Xurtan]

All this madness here made me think I should Level first my White Mage and then all other Healers. :P

That sounds like a great idea, have fun

[Turtledeluxe]

ATM, I believe White mages were unloved child of StB.

How convenient. I am not moved by "x job isn't preferred for y content" argument, especially for past expansions. That was then, this is now. These are the changes being asked for now. Trying it on one healer could result in some amount of it not being used for prog, but that happens in the game right now depending on the timing of the release. A meta will different for progs vs reclear in a majority of cases. Picto will probably lose out to SMN for prog groups and perhaps even to BLM depending on playability/DPS. That doesn't mean no one is going to clear high end content with Picto ever. Your GW2 reference I'm not familiar with-- sometimes jobs/classes are straight up broken depending on the game and context, and that's different from "I don't like this play style for high end content".

And vice versa. Need to see DT Raids and EX before I can side with You.

There are no sides. You are just restating what I said. My entire was post was about balancing job complexity with encounter complexity, and you restated it as though you were educating me. You are not. Let that be understood.

Disgusting because it is Character/Personal attack. I prefer to challenge ideas, because in actual debate, where both parties can try to see own views from lens of opponent truth can be reach. Ad hominem is instant kill to such ways.

As WoW player I'll say that exactly problem I see, people calling for a solutions which will lead to WoW Mythic+ healers. It was not fun, it was stresful, it was always my fault despite some else can't "Check the cast". And what do You think about Heroic Dungeons during BFA? It was even easier that FFXIV. First Heroic dungeon I queued in BFA after a break - Tank and 1 DPS rocket boosted ahead of me (healer) and cleared the dungeon before I could find correct path to bosses. Thx God I wasn't kicked.
As far as I can see:
1 Button dps* - Partially valid, but it will be long back and forth why it's both yes and no. It also sounds lucrative when You have nothing to heal, but will turn into pain in the ass when high damage comes. (Mistweaver Monk from WoW Legion says hell. And hello)

Again, WoW is a different game and I'm not familiar with what was done to their healers or what the scale of it was. Is it the same as expanding the DPS kit of one singular healer in XIV? And again I would say if that healer is used less for progs, is that truly the end of the world? Once again if you review the logs early in a raid cycle you're already going to see some jobs used SIGNIFICANTLY more than others. So I am unmoved by the argument.

Also for someone not a fan of gatekeeping, you are literally gatekeeping. You're also extremely sensitive for someone who came into the topic guns blazing about useless the first post is-- I called your viewpoint narrow and you're taking it as some kind of personal attack. That's your agenda, I guess. If I wanted to call you stupid I would have done that directly. I am not saying you are stupid. I am saying your post came across as a narrow interpretation of the problem.

If homogenization is so good for the game, we have work to do. Why not put raise on all casters and make all their DPS the same for example. I can sit here all day and tell you ways the jobs can be even more homogenized. The truth is, people are going to argue for how much homogeny is ok based on their own comfort levels and what benefits them. They're going to argue what keeps the game in a state they're personally comfortable with.