#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[rawker]

Point A: I don't think that the manifesto in the first page is the problem. It is more on the negative connotation of the word strike.
Point B: It is also clear in the manifesto on the proposed changes to be made.

Finally, all of these had been said for more than 4 years already. We've just had enough.

[Voidmage]

Provide feedback in the proper manner, through the appropriate channels. Starting some thread/strike isn't going to actually change anything in game. This might actually get their attention though since its so dramatic and completely outrageous. People need to share their thoughts and simply unsub or play something else without the drama. Devs looks at the stats. Those same stats that make them think using tomes for relics is a success. They think it's a success because so many people did it. So many people did it because there's nothing else to do. Like shb and sb both had field operations that kept people busy, but they cut that corner this expansion. It was not a success. So in this situation, if people unsubbed and provided feedback as to why, and carried on with life, the devs would take note and do what they need to. It's far too early to be jumping ahead and going "on strike" when the expansion isn't even released yet, nobody has a clue what's coming in the future yet they all here whining about things they know nothing about. This is because of a lack of content, when players get bored the drama always starts. When there's lots to do, there's much less drama. Do you guys really think male viera was worth all this? Cuz that's where the Endwalker budget went and why we have no content! :legasp:

Hope my English is good enough to understand that all.
So it’s more or less the word strike that’s the problem?

Regarding statistics for example on the relics.
I personally think these were the most successfull relics till now and yet yoshida promised changes to them so I think feedback is as important as statistics to them.

[UnconfirmedCat]

Sounds like turning Energy Drain into Continuation.

Give SCH a gun. Do it. What's the worst that could happen.

[PercibelTheren]

Quick aside: funny how on Reddit/YT people keep saying that this is a nonissue and “it’s literally four people” meanwhile we’re at 456 pages in a week

Depends where you look. r/ffxivdiscussion has had a few topics about it and quite a large chunk of the people there agree that healers are in a bad situation right now. Not everyone by any means, but a sizeable part of them.

[HighlanderClone]

Depends where you look. r/ffxivdiscussion has had a few topics about it and quite a large chunk of the people there agree that healers are in a bad situation right now. Not everyone by any means, but a sizeable part of them.

Not sure you can take /r/ffxivdiscussion seriously anymore in 2024 when they upvote comments proposing to add Freecure to Glare or Enhanced Benefic II to Malefic. These are not even cherrypicked examples; these are literal top comments in threads discussing healers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...aging_without/

Of course, the forums are not necessarily better, but, still.

[PercibelTheren]

Give SCH a gun. Do it. What's the worst that could happen.

You get Sage!

[PercibelTheren]

Not sure you can take /r/ffxivdiscussion seriously anymore in 2024 when they upvote comments proposing to add Freecure to Glare or Enhanced Benefic II to Malefic. These are not even cherrypicked examples; these are literal top comments in threads discussing healers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...aging_without/

Of course, the forums are not necessarily better, but, still.

I mean...I don't think that's entirely unreasonable? Those traits are worse than useless right now because they're a noob trap for newbie healers who don't know better than trying to fish for the procs. At least moving them to the damage spell would encourage people to use it.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I honestly don't really understand why they can't give healer a full rotation instead of just two buttons, I know they have healing responsibility and in high end content it does get pretty serious but tanks have a full dps rotation and still having 8 mitigation buttons they have to make full use of in ultimate content.

I understand button bloat is a big issue but some GCD heals could be combined together to make room for new buttons.

I think the very few dps buttons are the main reason I rarely play healer tbh

From my understanding, the reason Yoshi is resistant to the idea of giving healers a full damage dealing rotation is it would result in players neglecting their healing abilities and also lead to players being put under social pressure to deal damage more than their skill level may allow. I believe this is why the initial Japanese forum response to #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE was "If you want to DPS, play a DPS."

I also feel this is why the new DPS spells for healers are on a two minute cooldown. There seems to be this deep mindset that healers should be focused on monitoring everyone's health bars even when there is no damage coming in rather than getting caught up in the sort of things damage dealers focus their attention on. They want the damage rotation of the healing jobs to remain mostly one spell.

Personally, I am willing to accept this, if this is one of the things we cannot change. But, if we healers are supposed to be focused on health bars and character status effects so much, then the game should reflect that.

It doesn't.

That's why I'm a proponent of nerfing the healing and dispelling abilities of the non-healer jobs. If healers are supposed to mainly heal, let us mainly heal.

As for button bloat, definitely combine redundant heals. Healers don't need to have their action bars filled for the sake of filling them. Each spell should have a purpose.

[Stormhold]

How convenient. I am not moved by "x job isn't preferred for y content" argument, especially for past expansions.

Those who do not respect history destined to repeat it.

There are no sides. ... you restated it as though you were educating me. You are not. Let that be understood.

It feels like You have no idea of consequences which already happened in MMO before.

Again, WoW is a different game ... logs early in a raid cycle you're already going to see some jobs used SIGNIFICANTLY more than others. So I am unmoved by the argument.

Paladins at some point was only viable healer for Mythic+ and everyone else was not accepted in groups en masse, making joining the group for healers en masse. If rushed design will make, for example White Mage, precived "bad", this playerbase won't be able to find group as easy.

Also for someone not a fan of gatekeeping, you are literally gatekeeping. You're also extremely sensitive for someone who came into the topic guns blazing about useless the first post is-- I called your viewpoint narrow and you're taking it as some kind of personal attack. ... I am saying your post came across as a narrow interpretation of the problem.

Where do I gatekeep? Do You know the meaning of this word? You never called my viewpoint narrow, You stated

your narrow thinking that is preventing you from true enlightenment.

implying I can't think wide, while all I do is thinking how changes at this time will damage the playerbase in future and if it is worth it. Poor word choises. And I admit thoughts You present feels even more narrow to me.

If homogenization is so good for the game, we have work to do. Why not put raise on all casters and make all their DPS the same for example. I can sit here all day and tell you ways the jobs can be even more homogenized.

Yes it is, but exgragating much? Of course people will argue, but all I see that jobs are moved towards higher floor, slightly higher ceiling in DT. Everything done so low skill players can do better.

• Time Dilation - Will be always pressed before Divination anyway.
• Kaiten - If sprouts en masse didn't press it before Midare, they got severely punished. And You can't teach them, but they are around.

I personally hate Enmity changes in ShB, but I can see how it is beneficial for the flow of players in the game. Hope 8.0 Bring changes which can suit both of us.

[HighlanderClone]

I mean...I don't think that's entirely unreasonable? Those traits are worse than useless right now because they're a noob trap for newbie healers who don't know better than trying to fish for the procs. At least moving them to the damage spell would encourage people to use it.

You don't want to be using Cure II, and definitely not Benefic II. You are just substituting one "noob trap" for another.

Putting them on the damage filler is also equivalent to just upgrading Ben 2 and Cure 2 straight up. You're going to get the proc nearly every GCD? What's the point? Under what scenario are you going to make the conscious decision to use Glare just so you can proc Freecure??