#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Gullis]

Lunar Sub..... but remember the whole argument is that a Warrior as a tank means healers are irrelavent and yet, the majority of my runs as a healer and as a dps says otherwise. But nooooooooooooooooo healers aren't needed, isn't that the point of the thread? Because a God Tier uWu tank cleared with 3 dps and no heals. I mean... Warriors don't need healers right? Yet somehow mine couldn't live once the healer ate mechanics and died.

fair, but the problem for many healers is that those situations are extremly rare, and not at all part of the average experience. People always say that most players are super casuals that don't know how to press their buttons, and sure idk, I don't have any data to prove or disprove it, but I currently can't belive it. The times that happens to me are so extremely rare, it just seems so unrealistic to me, for that to be the case.
Maybe I am just insanely lucky and have avoided them all during the 2.5 years of EW

[Myrany]

fair, but the problem for many healers is that those situations are extremly rare, and not at all part of the average experience. People always say that most players are super casuals that don't know how to press their buttons, and sure idk, I don't have any data to prove or disprove, but I currently can't belive it. The times that happens to me are so extremely rare, it just seems so unrealistic to me, for that to be the case.
Maybe I am just insanely lucky and have avoided them all during the 2.5 years of EW

In low content particularly Prae during the moogle events (before the changes with having so much other stuff to do) I used to see a whole lot of fail on the healer front as I ran it over and over for moogle tomestones. Most of the time it was one of 4 issues. 1. new healer- needs some seasoning 2. Healer doesn't really know the dungeon and gets caught out in the last fight and the big group wide damage kills people because the healer didn't top them before. 3. Healer got tunnel vision in on doing DPS and forgot to check health bars. Finally and this is one that really ticks me off. Healer announces they will be DPSing and we should keep ourselves alive (for me this one is a vote kick + report, sorry it is refusing to do the job they signed up for)

You would be surprised how much garbage happens in low level content mostly because people have no clue what they are doing. That doesn't mean nerf everything into the ground. But it does happen more often than you think.

[OliviaLugria]

Lunar Sub..... but remember the whole argument is that a Warrior as a tank means healers are irrelavent and yet, the majority of my runs as a healer and as a dps says otherwise. But nooooooooooooooooo healers aren't needed, isn't that the point of the thread? Because a God Tier uWu tank cleared with 3 dps and no heals. I mean... Warriors don't need healers right? Yet somehow mine couldn't live once the healer ate mechanics and died.

someone didn't read the first post in the thread :/

[Ayalu]

I would say i count as Casual as i dont touch Extremes or Savage stuff.
While i dont run into the problem that i dont feel needet as healer atleast not in the last few time.
I still see problems in the design and how monotone it is to do my Attack spell.
I also see all the design problems in the other classes, the removal of interlocking parts in class design, homogenisation and narrowing of design space.

I will also mention that distatisfaction with healing is also present on the Japanese Side of the Community.
One should mention that they desire a different solution for it, not more damage as they do think Healer should not damage.
But a more enticing healing and support experience.

[Kes13a]

In low content particularly Prae during the moogle events (before the changes with having so much other stuff to do) I used to see a whole lot of fail on the healer front as I ran it over and over for moogle tomestones. Most of the time it was one of 4 issues. 1. new healer- needs some seasoning 2. Healer doesn't really know the dungeon and gets caught out in the last fight and the big group wide damage kills people because the healer didn't top them before. 3. Healer got tunnel vision in on doing DPS and forgot to check health bars. Finally and this is one that really ticks me off. Healer announces they will be DPSing and we should keep ourselves alive (for me this one is a vote kick + report, sorry it is refusing to do the job they signed up for)

You would be surprised how much garbage happens in low level content mostly because people have no clue what they are doing. That doesn't mean nerf everything into the ground. But it does happen more often than you think.

I had one where the tank up and said, dont worry about the amount of damage I take, I dont repair my gear... I was like, please, I can do it, just let m..... and they were off and pulling. was a dfferent ride but managed, barely.. to keep them off the floor but they didnt really use mits either so was... different....

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

There's definitely bad healers floating around but almost none of the proposed changes matter to my co-healer (or even just healer now that I've backed off the role) spamming Prognosis.

Not E. Prognosis, Prognosis. That's a real thing I've seen people do.

[Myrany]

I had one where the tank up and said, dont worry about the amount of damage I take, I dont repair my gear... I was like, please, I can do it, just let m..... and they were off and pulling. was a dfferent ride but managed, barely.. to keep them off the floor but they didnt really use mits either so was... different....

Oh there are big fails in tanks and dps as well. I think what I was getting at was that there is much more fail happening in low stuff than many think there is. A GOOD healer can and often does save the show. A GOOD healer + a GOOD tank can make up for a whole lot of DPS shenanigans. When everyone is good its a snooze run.

Trust me I very much appreciate good healers. There have been times my hands went south unexpectedly because I forgot a mechanic was coming and they wouldn't work to let me get out of it. The healer yoinking me out of the bad was VERY appreciated and actually a nice wakeup call to me to get my head back in the game.

EDIT: I play mostly low stuff by choice. So I do see what happens there perhaps more than most. Mostly ARR+Heavensward stuff. I just hate Stormblood so much story wise I have only managed to get through it once. The character that did get through it I am taking my time going through Shadowbringers because I do not WANT to be at cap. I do not like the person I become at endgame. I tend to lose the fun of the game at endgame by pushing myself to hard into the min/max mindset even though I will never do the content that requires it.

[Gullis]

In low content particularly Prae during the moogle events (before the changes with having so much other stuff to do) I used to see a whole lot of fail on the healer front as I ran it over and over for moogle tomestones. Most of the time it was one of 4 issues. 1. new healer- needs some seasoning 2. Healer doesn't really know the dungeon and gets caught out in the last fight and the big group wide damage kills people because the healer didn't top them before. 3. Healer got tunnel vision in on doing DPS and forgot to check health bars. Finally and this is one that really ticks me off. Healer announces they will be DPSing and we should keep ourselves alive (for me this one is a vote kick + report, sorry it is refusing to do the job they signed up for)

You would be surprised how much garbage happens in low level content mostly because people have no clue what they are doing. That doesn't mean nerf everything into the ground. But it does happen more often than you think.

Got a laugh from that DPS healer. He should give Scholar a shot, as Eos with Whispering Dawn should be enough to easily cover the msq dungeons, without getting in the way of his ruin spam x)

[Myrany]

Got a laugh from that DPS healer. He should give Scholar a shot, as Eos with Whispering Dawn should be enough to easily cover the msq dungeons, without getting in the way of his ruin spam x)

and that is exactly why I have always even back in the days when I first started the game done best with healing on scholar. the little fairie friend made up for a whole lot of my own fails.

[Myrany]

I suppose I should clarify a few things about my gaming and healing background.

I am without a doubt a WoW refugee. I played WoW from a few weeks Before BC released to halfway through BFA. I played ALL the healers though my favorites were holy priest and resto shammy. I was what would probably be called a bit too advanced for LFR but not really in a position for lack of groups and time (was still working then) to push into normal raiding or M+. So yes I healed Cata before it was nerfed. I remember that whole mess. Though my recollection differs a bit from what most talk about. I really never felt the problem was the healers. I always felt it was the dungeon that was the particular issue was very unforgiving and many players didn't step up and just expected the healer to carry the group. Well we couldn't and took the blowback for a whole lotta fail from everyone.

About the time of WoD I was starting to not be happy with WoW and dove into LOTRO HARD. Played both for several years. I played both green and red Minstrel (Mini). Minstrel can be both a DPS and a healer by choosing spec. Met the best tank I ever healed for in LOTRO she was 82 years old. So there is one for those who dont think older people should game.

I originally tried FFXIV sometime in ARR but it didn't click for me. I was still too much in that WoW headspace. Game just confused the tar out of me. I actually tried it again at the very tail end of Heavensward (though I claim to be a sotrmblood baby because it literally launched within a week or 2 of my return). Game clicked for me and I never looked back. I played summoner until it got hit with the big simplification bat then went BLM. Got tired of that and tried some healing which didn't work out for me and went back to the toon I rolled way back in ARR when I first tried the game. Have mostly been a bard since. One nice thing about ranged DPS I get a pretty good view of who is doing what when. I see the heros and the mistakes.