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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    you realize there is a large OLDER player base to this game, as in there are people with disabilites as well that will be locked out of the game if the floor is moved up too much beyond what it is. People in their 50s and 60s who play but don't have the reaction times of young ones in this game? People with disabilites that want to enjoy the normal content.
    older does not mean they are incapable. at this point SE is about one step away from catering to turnips in the field. I fall into the "older" category... and once I cannot game, I will take up a different game, because at my age, I dont want the equivalent of tapioca pudding every time I log in. I want something to KEEP my brain active... not a snooze fest.
    do we start granting "accessibility" to people that are barely capable of turning on their computer or console? maybe we can have someone visit to do it for them.

    once it gets to the point where every disability is catered to, then there is no more "normal" content. it is a race to see who drools the least while drinking the koolaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    older does not mean they are incapable. at this point SE is about one step away from catering to turnips in the field. I fall into the "older" category... and once I cannot game, I will take up a different game, because at my age, I dont want the equivalent of tapioca pudding every time I log in. I want something to KEEP my brain active... not a snooze fest.
    do we start granting "accessibility" to people that are barely capable of turning on their computer or console? maybe we can have someone visit to do it for them.

    once it gets to the point where every disability is catered to, then there is no more "normal" content. it is a race to see who drools the least while drinking the koolaid.
    I kind of hard disagree with that. I think that SE did the right thing by putting accessibility first in their content design, especially since FFXIV has a MSQ system that is not optional and cannot have certain dungeons or trials skipped, such as in WoW, where people can just not do certain content to progress the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aquarys View Post
    I kind of hard disagree with that. I think that SE did the right thing by putting accessibility first in their content design, especially since FFXIV has a MSQ system that is not optional and cannot have certain dungeons or trials skipped, such as in WoW, where people can just not do certain content to progress the story.
    yes, accessibilty is good, but content outside of the MSQ is and has usually been optional to the story. I mean I am pretty sure that even people with disabilities enjoy being treated like people. its getting to the point where pushing a button is "too difficult"

    no healer I know of is arguing for an extreme level skill floor for MSQ or normals. just a bit more of our kit to engage with. thats all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    yes, accessibilty is good, but content outside of the MSQ is and has usually been optional to the story. I mean I am pretty sure that even people with disabilities enjoy being treated like people. its getting to the point where pushing a button is "too difficult"

    no healer I know of is arguing for an extreme level skill floor for MSQ or normals. just a bit more of our kit to engage with. thats all.
    I think that's fair enough. I do think DPS on AST (the only healer I really play right now) is kinda braindead in roulettes. Not sure how it's like on other jobs. I would hope that it's more involved for Sage, since I thought that healing through DPS was the whole point of the job? Edit: this is a genuine question because I've been hoping to start leveling Sage soon after AST because I like the idea of doing more DPS
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    Quote Originally Posted by aquarys View Post
    I think that's fair enough. I do think DPS on AST (the only healer I really play right now) is kinda braindead in roulettes. Not sure how it's like on other jobs. I would hope that it's more involved for Sage, since I thought that healing through DPS was the whole point of the job? Edit: this is a genuine question because I've been hoping to start leveling Sage soon after AST because I like the idea of doing more DPS
    its not any better on WHM. SGE, might be a bit more involved, I mean I got mine up, but never identified with the job so leveled and went back to WHM. the person I play with bounces between it and SCH so I imagine its roughly comparable
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    Quote Originally Posted by aquarys View Post
    I do think DPS on AST (the only healer I really play right now) is kinda braindead in roulettes. Not sure how it's like on other jobs.
    I can give you the WHM perspective.

    Mob pulls: HOLYHOLYHOLYHOLYHOLYHOLYHOLY
    Bosses: Dia, GLAREGLAREGLAREGLAREGLAREGLAREGLARE

    If you're really lucky and you actually had to heal three times, you get to toss out an Afflatus Misery! Woohoo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amity_Roji View Post
    I can give you the WHM perspective.

    Mob pulls: HOLYHOLYHOLYHOLYHOLYHOLYHOLY
    Bosses: Dia, GLAREGLAREGLAREGLAREGLAREGLAREGLARE

    If you're really lucky and you actually had to heal three times, you get to toss out an Afflatus Misery! Woohoo!
    Don't forget assize and presence of mind. Those count as buttons for dps too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Don't forget assize and presence of mind. Those count as buttons for dps too.
    But those are still on cooldown from the last bout of DPSing! XD

    I do like POM + Holy spam though; it's basically the "fuck your eyes" of DPSing.

    Though now that I think about it, it's kinda sad that that's the only level of enjoyment I get out of the thing I'm doing most in dungeons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    older does not mean they are incapable. at this point SE is about one step away from catering to turnips in the field. I fall into the "older" category... and once I cannot game, I will take up a different game, because at my age, I dont want the equivalent of tapioca pudding every time I log in. I want something to KEEP my brain active... not a snooze fest.
    do we start granting "accessibility" to people that are barely capable of turning on their computer or console? maybe we can have someone visit to do it for them.

    once it gets to the point where every disability is catered to, then there is no more "normal" content. it is a race to see who drools the least while drinking the koolaid.
    Let me refer to this post of mine and also point out that I am in my 50s and agree whole heartedly with keeping the brain active through gaming.
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    Strangely enough. I am a disabled player neurological disability. Like years ago in WoW when my hand spasmed and I ran off a ledge to my death as a result and someone yelled at me calling me a spaz my answer was "Well yes, yes I am." These days I play DPS. Most people can't tell I am disabled.

    In the end it was my disability that made me stop playing healer. It's a strange thing with CP. The more pushed or rushed I feel the more spastic I get. I played healer in a couple of other games but when I was playing them the tank was willing to take the queue from the healer on how fast to go. Here they don't. I generally can keep up with a 2 pack pull. If I gotta run to keep up farther then that I risk spasms from the panic about not keeping up ( and thus not being able to make my hands hit the right buttons). DPS on the other hand no one gives a darn if it takes me an extra half second to get there. No one is gonna die over it.

    The disability is also why I don't do harder content. the occasional ex trial is as far as I go. That is right on the bleeding edge of what I can reliably do without being a detriment to the party or in pain for days afterward.

    I was going to post this to the lady talking about her disabled friend last night but had hit post cap. Honest there is a point where the disabled person has to know their own limits and make choices. I know on a bad hands night its time to go exploring or fishing or gathering. Something that is not going to ruin things for other people. Could I have continued leveling healer? yes if I had a group of kind people that didn't mind being just a little slower. As it is the OCD is going to make me finish leveling them via trusts eventually as having a class open but not leveled makes me nuts.

    This I say as someone who taught special ed for 29 years in the schools. We can help disabled people figure things out but the best thing we can possibly do for them is teach them how to figure it out for themselves. We do no favors by running blockers between them and the world.
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