#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[ZephyrMenodora]

I just want to clarify for the "just unsub" people that we are here in this thread because we enjoy the game. This game has a comprehensive feature list outside of healing, afterall.

Some of us even still like healing, but want to give feedback to make it more enjoyable.

Unsubbing isn't the only way to send a message.

I also hesitate at the conflation of trying to be heard with just simple malcontent complaining. Especially when every other avenue of providing feedback has failed.

As an aside, most people in this thread have been rather calm in their discussion, and Gemina's OP set a nice tone of what we are going for here.

[Gember]

I want to point out that each one of these content creators with the exception of Zepla oppose the strike. Some even go as far as to try and make us feel silly and childish about it. All of them more or less believe that the strike won't work (mind you under false pretenses why we chose to do it). Yet, every single one of them end up conceding that the issues laid out in the manifesto are true and agree that there are real problems with the role and the simplicity of content.

Sorry Gemina, for some of the content creators were not exactly supportive. I should have listed on there that many don't agree with the strike but, they are talking about it, and also agreeing that there are problems within the trinity system.

My goal for the links, (Which can be found on page 299, and 300.) was to help keep the doors open to new ideas, criticisms, keeping an open mind on how the community feels, and wants for this game. Yes, there are plenty of naysayers, de-railers, memes, and straight up bullies presented in each of these links. This, however, is just a part of online culture, as much as I don't like it. However, in the midst of all of that; there are new people being introduced to this topic. They are asking genuine questions, and voicing their concerns.

It's very difficult to sift through the negativity, but these conversations are quite important. If anything, the strike will fail; but it would succeed in creating a community wide discussion; and that is a very good thing. Even if people don't have solutions; it is good to know that they are in agreement that there is a problem.

Whatever the developers put out will hopefully be a step in the right direction. Just know that no matter what choice they do; a group of players will be really upset because the healers in this community are quite divided on how they want to use their kits. That is why every reddit thread and every official forum thread regarding healers are bloated with replies.

I hope more conversations will happen across multiple platforms.This will be my last reply in this thread. I noticed we are past 300 pages and counting fast. Only a few eyes will reach these deep end conversations. My links got buried under 2 pages due to people fighting with each other within 10 minutes of posting them, so this isn't really a good place to provide information anymore.

Enjoy Dawntrail everyone.
Take care.

[Reinha]

Stuff like this makes me think this whole thing is not serious even though I agree with the points made.

I disagree, since the objective was always to not play healers in group content and that's what we are doing. It was the opposing side who created the misconception that we should unsub. Yet this strike got lots of people commenting in this thread despite them never having commented in any of the feedback threads that have accumulated in the healer forum. Looks like it's working exactly as intended. Unsubbing has never had this kind of effect, although I'm open to changing my mind if someone can link a 300+ page thread and media coverage that were sparked by healers announcing their sub cancellations.

"You're not serious", "you're cowards", "you should unsub", "you keep giving them money", "this is sad and pathetic", "you don't play hard content" and other fallacies will not stop us from rightfully complaining about healer design.

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[Al4th]

First of, thanks for taking the extra effort to reach out to us across the language barrier.

It is interesting to see your opinion on this as well as your take on the Japanese Community and their stance on this topic.

And I for one do agree on that we should not neglect the fact that Healers should both feel distinct from each other in their gameplay, while also being close enough to each other in over all capabilities they are not a hinderance in any fight compared to bringing any other healer.

Thank you. I'm glad you welcomed me so warmly.
I often refer to EN players' playstyles for inspiration, so I'm happy to learn what EN players think about healers, and I find this topic very interesting.

I hope everyone's heartfelt wishes reach Square and YoshiP.

[MisterNublet]

So i take it unsubscribing isn't an option for this healer strike? I'm sure they'll pay attention if a large portion of healers all collectively unsub and stop playing and go support a different game.

Namely the people throwing this protest around, please unsub and go play something else.

Nah, I'm more than happy to contribute to the increase in queue times for dps (and tanks).

Hopefully there will be enough of a healer shortage that it takes 3-4 hours to find a single healer like it did during Abyssos Savage.

[Turtledeluxe]

Sometimes I feel some of you live in a different reality. What do you mean grief? When the boss is nearly dead and the tank gives it their all to try and kill it, so the rest of the party doesn't have to waste 10 more mins redoing the fight?

"Nearly dead"? Depending on the tank they can down a given boss from 30%, 50%, perhaps more if comments I've read are accurate, wasting up to 25 mins of other people's time. I base this on my own experiences, posts in this thread, posts in other threads, youtube and reddit comments, as well as tweets. It's a well agreed upon thing. You can minimize it by saying they're doing some innocuous service, that isn't what other people are observing including tanks in this very thread who have admitted they do it for a power fantasy.

And why did the rest of the party wipe? Failed mechanics or healers failing to heal? Why did the tanks survive a damage event that's killed everyone else? - Mitigation. Mitigation reduced the damage that would KO you. Self sustain is worthless if you're dead.

It's the combo of mitigation and healing that keeps them immortal, obviously. It's the "good enough" DPS that allows them to finish the job.

In my post I did address tanks needing to be balanced between each other, but like I said that's not a healer issue is it? It's like saying "nerf BLM damage, because they kill the boss too fast and I don't get enough opportunities to heal!"

You can call it whatever you want. As far as BLM killing a boss fast, that's actually quite true (BLM is on the higher end of potential DPS in a boss fight is what I mean). But they can't do it without a tank and a healer. BLM is balanced within the game, certain tanks are not.

The simple fact is, people are invoking ridiculous, disruptive, and complex solutions like modifying damage output across the entire game just because a couple of jobs are imbalanced. People aren't asking for a WAR to have zero healing or even less mitigation or anything crazy (outside some fringe cases), they just need to balanced slightly.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

"nerf BLM damage, because they kill the boss too fast and I don't get enough opportunities to heal!"

DPS being able to kill bosses too quickly is a common complaint actually (ie. the scales you'll never see anymore) and if BLM doing disproportionately high damage was the cause (it's not, it's ilvl) you almost certainly would see nerfs,

damage between jobs is actually the one thing they obsessively balance, I have no idea how this is supposed to be an argument

[MokurenEidrid]

I'm here to support this thread. Let the healer heal!

[Meerkats]

I've been subbed to the game since late ARR and I've been a support main for all the cooperative games I've played including pushing high m+ in wow. I don't spend a lot of time here on the forums although I read through the healer megathread at the beginning of EW that basically said all the same things. I'd already resolved to move on to a DPS job for Dawntrail because healing is not very engaging with the way the game is designed. It's been an issue ever since they started stripping scholar of all their dps buttons and has only gotten more pronounced.

I wouldn't mind having a simple dps rotation if I was busy healing, but there isn't much requirement for it. I don't play high end content in ff because I mostly come here to relax. I've always said if I want hard content, I have wow for that. Because I don't find the healing engaging, I mostly play the game for story and non battle content. I would love to see healing become more engaging somehow. I'm open to developer experimentation to find out what that looks like.

The one thing that I really liked when I read it was whoever said, "why do tanks have a dps rotation?" Truly, they only need a "get threat" aoe button and single target. Since we've also removed all the threat management in the game, mobs should just do a check for a tank aura and never hit anyone else as long as it's up. Give tanks 50 mitigation buttons and a taunt and a two button damage rotation and see how long before they get mad and go on strike.

[Xurtan]

I definitely intend to level my first healer of the expansion for raiding through roulettes with friends/WT/FL. Plenty of ways to do it without crossing the picket line, tbh, even without needing to do solo content or anything else.