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    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    Considering your previous interactions on this thread was rather... interesting, to say the least, I am greatly suspicious of the intent of this reply. For someone who believed that the movement will not prosper and that devs will simply ignore, you have paid more attention to the number of likes this thread has garnered. Truly interesting for someone such as myself who supports the strike but didn't bother tracking the number of likes.
    Did the post even get over 400+ likes, or is it people misconstruing between OP upvote count vs thread page count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Did the post even get over 400+ likes, or is it people misconstruing between OP upvote count vs thread page count?
    I am more inclined to think that it's the latter. People will do whatever it takes to stir the pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    Considering your previous interactions on this thread was rather... interesting, to say the least, I am greatly suspicious of the intent of this reply. For someone who believed that the movement will not prosper and that devs will simply ignore, you have paid more attention to the number of likes this thread has garnered. Truly interesting for someone such as myself who supports the strike but didn't bother tracking the number of likes.
    A quick forum search, sorted by post date. The last post is from yesterday.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    184 likes and counting!
    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    228 likes and counting!
    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    281 and counting!
    Quote Originally Posted by Local_Custard View Post
    one away from 300 likes too
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    331 likes
    Quote Originally Posted by OranKells View Post
    about 350 likes on the main post.
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    Last edited by aiqa; 06-24-2024 at 05:35 PM.

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    I'll be striking by playing WHM but without any heals on my hotbar. No one can blame me for playing my three button DPS class like SE intended to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venarius View Post
    I'll be striking by playing WHM but without any heals on my hotbar. No one can blame me for playing my three button DPS class like SE intended to.
    ""Yoshida: So I totally understand that those healers that have a very high player skill level and they’ve really mastered their jobs go into these different raids or battles and when they do have some downtime between their heals they do cast more offensive spells. Some of them desire to have more technical aspects of it so they are more active and I totally understand that sentiment. But of course the basis of a healer is to heal so I think the development team and I have this thinking of getting that sense of exhilaration from doing really good heal work.

    That being said I don’t think we would do any sort of dramatic addition of offensive skills moving forward. By having these offensive abilities some players, like new healers, might feel pressured like “oh do I have to have good DPS while I’m healing?” or some players might be aggressive like “oh hey you have an offensive skill in your kit, why don’t you use it?” and I don’t think that’s optimal either.""


    From Yoshi's statement from before EW release you should be taking off your DPS skills, as DPS is not what SE indended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    ""Yoshida: So I totally understand that those healers that have a very high player skill level and they’ve really mastered their jobs go into these different raids or battles and when they do have some downtime between their heals they do cast more offensive spells. Some of them desire to have more technical aspects of it so they are more active and I totally understand that sentiment. But of course the basis of a healer is to heal so I think the development team and I have this thinking of getting that sense of exhilaration from doing really good heal work.

    That being said I don’t think we would do any sort of dramatic addition of offensive skills moving forward. By having these offensive abilities some players, like new healers, might feel pressured like “oh do I have to have good DPS while I’m healing?” or some players might be aggressive like “oh hey you have an offensive skill in your kit, why don’t you use it?” and I don’t think that’s optimal either.""


    From Yoshi's statement from before EW release you should be taking off your DPS skills, as DPS is not what SE indended.
    I love how hilariously out of touch this is

    The current nuke being like 450 potency in DPS terms per hit (so a blatantly easy way to do like 60% of a DPS damage) doesn’t stop any of the current bad healers from not doing DPS (and it’s even worse in JP because it’s just accepted as “if they don’t want to do damage it creates more conflict to force them to do damage than to just finish the run”)

    Who are these mythical people that square seems to be designing the healers around
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I love how hilariously out of touch this is

    The current nuke being like 450 potency in DPS terms per hit (so a blatantly easy way to do like 60% of a DPS damage) doesn’t stop any of the current bad healers from not doing DPS (and it’s even worse in JP because it’s just accepted as “if they don’t want to do damage it creates more conflict to force them to do damage than to just finish the run”)

    Who are these mythical people that square seems to be designing the healers around
    Back in the days you'd be surprised how often healers in duties didn't press their DPS buttons.
    "I'm playing a healer, not a DPS. You don't pay my sub."
    And as Yoshi's statement, there were those that became aggressive over it.

    And it's not about how easy or not a Healer can do damage, it's the amount of buttons I guess.
    If a healer had a dps rotation maybe those " healers that might feel pressured" wouldn't know if they had to focus on that rotation instead of hitting a heal when needed.
    Idunno, but this is what Yoshi said during the interniew 2021.
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    Last edited by Evergrey; 06-24-2024 at 05:36 PM. Reason: corrections

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    Back in the days you'd be surprised how often healers in duties didn't press their DPS buttons.
    I was the opposite.. I kept forgetting to turn on Cleric Stance to reapply my DoTs. lols
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venarius View Post
    I'll be striking by playing WHM but without any heals on my hotbar. No one can blame me for playing my three button DPS class like SE intended to.
    See, this is where I personally draw the line.

    a) It is considered as an act of griefing and is against the ToS. But hey, if you want to have the GMs knocking around an expansion launch, then you do you.
    b) It is more than likely only going to annoy players that you are playing with, and ruin their experience. At this point anyone able to do anything about it is not going to care about the strike, but at pretty blatant acts of griefing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venarius View Post
    I'll be striking by playing WHM but without any heals on my hotbar. No one can blame me for playing my three button DPS class like SE intended to.
    If you are still queuing up for duties as a healer that is not striking but you are free to break the ToS at your own discretion.
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