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    Player CerusSerenade's Avatar
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    Phelsarn Lumerais
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    1T 3D might clear a dungeon in 15 minutes.
    1T 2D 1H might clear a dungeon in 20 minutes.
    3D 1H might clear a dungeon in 30 minutes.

    It's not that it isn't impossible to clear it with out a certain role, it is that it is more efficient to clear it with 1T 3D.
    Given the time of the video that's clearly not the case, as 1 healer 2 DPS cleared 1/3 of the dungeon in 7 minutes. A third dps would have clearly cut that down to the 15 minute mark you were talking about.

    That healers have a very simplified kit for dealing damage is a valid complaint, but that dungeons can be completed without a healer is overblown, as dungeons can also be completed without a tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    Given the time of the video that's clearly not the case, as 1 healer 2 DPS cleared 1/3 of the dungeon in 7 minutes. A third dps would have clearly cut that down to the 15 minute mark you were talking about.

    That healers have a very simplified kit for dealing damage is a valid complaint, but that dungeons can be completed without a healer is overblown, as dungeons can also be completed without a tank.
    They had already defeated the first boss and were clearing trash packs towards the second boss. It took them two and a half minutes to clear the second pack of mobs even with the Dark Knight dpsing the first group before dying to the lack of heals. At the 6 minute mark they only pulled one group, and at the 7 minute mark they ended up single target pulling making it easy to heal through both. That is slow.

    as dungeons can also be completed without a tank.
    Right, I said that. It just wont be very fast. I would know, I've done it multiple times.
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    Wraith Gull
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    Agree

    I support making encounters across all grouped content just somewhat interesting for the healer role. Add some DoTs to dungeon enemies, tbh I wish they had something akin to M+ from WoW.


    Just a version of 4 player dungeons that makes each role sweat a little.

    Then at your floor level, an average healer would be someone who keeps the group alive and you complete content, but a great healer could have a ceiling of optimizing dps + healing since you'd be doing a blend of both instead of like 99% mashing Glare or Holy and falling asleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    XIV tubers outside of the bald warrior almost never have strong stances on the game and are always neutral, it honestly pretty annoying.
    Look at Warrior now, lol. I wish Healers had a streamer with a spine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niroken View Post
    Look at Warrior now, lol. I wish Healers had a streamer with a spine.
    Because healing in this game is boring and atrocious. It doesn't make for very exciting streaming content, so hardly any of them play it (full time).
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    Hey it's me, the bogeyman of the forums again. Just wanted to say again that if you haven't been happy for years and years, you should probably unsub. Maybe the game just isn't for you anymore. When the game is no longer for me, I'm going to unsub too like a normal person instead of whatever all this is. Thanks, have a great day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Hey it's me, the bogeyman of the forums again. Just wanted to say again that if you haven't been happy for years and years, you should probably unsub. Maybe the game just isn't for you anymore. When the game is no longer for me, I'm going to unsub too like a normal person instead of whatever all this is. Thanks, have a great day!
    Nah, I'm gonna main paladin and picto in DawnTrail so I can increase your queue time instead.

    I'll have no need to unsub when I'm having fun playing a job that isn't an empty husk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    Nah, I'm gonna main paladin and picto in DawnTrail so I can increase your queue time instead.

    I'll have no need to unsub when I'm having fun playing a job that isn't an empty husk.
    Oh no! Not the queue times! /s
    You know there's more than just you playing the game right? The world is not centered around you. You know what I do and what millions of others do to help queues? Switch to a tank or healer.
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    X'lyhhia Wiloh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Hey it's me, the bogeyman of the forums again. Just wanted to say again that if you haven't been happy for years and years, you should probably unsub. Maybe the game just isn't for you anymore. When the game is no longer for me, I'm going to unsub too like a normal person instead of whatever all this is. Thanks, have a great day!

    That's the same tired argument people use to counter criticism of ANY systemic issue be it in real life or in a videogame. "If you dont like it, just leave."
    It's an empty argument that ends up fixing nothing. A deflection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade878 View Post
    That's the same tired argument people use to counter criticism of ANY systemic issue be it in real life or in a videogame. "If you dont like it, just leave."
    It's an empty argument that ends up fixing nothing. A deflection.
    I'm not saying if you don't like it, just leave. I'm saying if you haven't been liking it, then just leave. Show some respect for yourself and, y'know, make better life choices. Because spending your entertainment budget on something you're not satisfied with is not a good choice.
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