#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kayokane]

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I'm glad you've never had the experience of accidentally double clicking Cleric's Stance off and back on again when you needed to heal, that combined with Hallowed Ground delay caused many a wipe back in the day. 5 seconds is a long time when you need to heal now.

Cleric's Stances CD only applied when turning Cleric's Stance on, not when turning it off. I guess you must have done a hotbar swap macro so you didn't need to deal with the possible recast?

[Pandurah]

Cleric's Stances CD only applied when turning Cleric's Stance on, not when turning it off. I guess you must have done a hotbar swap macro so you didn't need to deal with the possible recast?

It happened to me a few times when learning, but that's the point of learning. Although, as a SCH main I could pump out % heals with Lustrate (at least in ARR).

[Kayokane]

It happened to me a few times when learning, but that's the point of learning. Although, as a SCH main I could pump out % heals with Lustrate (at least in ARR).

I was always a WHM main but I do miss watching a SCH full dump stacks into the tank because I messed up Cleric's Stance again. Lustrate Lustrate Lustrate Aetherflow Lustrate Lustrate Lustrate, 20% overheal on paper, but damage was still going out :3 SCH players back then were pretty epic considerring how... touchy Eos and Selene could be to control.

[IDontPetLalas]

I'm glad you've never had the experience of accidentally double clicking Cleric's Stance off and back on again when you needed to heal, that combined with Hallowed Ground delay caused many a wipe back in the day. 5 seconds is a long time when you need to heal now.

Cleric's Stances CD only applied when turning Cleric's Stance on, not when turning it off. I guess you must have done a hotbar swap macro so you didn't need to deal with the possible recast?

You know, I also never experienced a wipe due to that (admittedly, a close call- but that was on me). Am I disputing that it happened? Not at all, however people also die to:

- mistimed/misplaced rescues
- mistimed heals and tank invuls
i could keep going, to be fair, I would not have tossed out Cleric Stance entirely but adjusted it somewhat- however I was able to work with it even as a sprout healer at the time.

[Rolder50]

You know, I also never experienced a wipe due to that (admittedly, a close call- but that was on me). Am I disputing that it happened? Not at all, however people also die to:

- mistimed/misplaced rescues
- mistimed heals and tank invuls
i could keep going, to be fair, I would not have tossed out Cleric Stance entirely but adjusted it somewhat- however I was able to work with it even as a sprout healer at the time.

I personally would have made Cleric Stance give a % increase to damage and a % decrease to healing, rather then the whole stat swap thing. To make it a bit more intuitive and less punishing if you mess it up.

[Pandurah]

I personally would have made Cleric Stance give a % increase to damage and a % decrease to healing

For Stormblood, Cleric Stance was changed to a cooldown that gave a 5% damage increase for I think 15s with 60s or 90s recast.

[Kayokane]

You know, I also never experienced a wipe due to that (admittedly, a close call- but that was on me). Am I disputing that it happened? Not at all, however people also die to:

- mistimed/misplaced rescues
- mistimed heals and tank invuls
i could keep going, to be fair, I would not have tossed out Cleric Stance entirely but adjusted it somewhat- however I was able to work with it even as a sprout healer at the time.

they did adjust it, in Stormblood it turned into a Role Action that gave a 5% damage boost for 15s on a 90s cooldown, honestly I would've been happy if they kept it like that instead of dropping it entirely with the Double DoTs in ShB.

[Eorzean_username]

I'm glad you've never had the experience of accidentally double clicking Cleric's Stance off and back on again when you needed to heal, that combined with Hallowed Ground delay caused many a wipe back in the day. 5 seconds is a long time when you need to heal now.

Cleric's Stances CD only applied when turning Cleric's Stance on, not when turning it off. I guess you must have done a hotbar swap macro so you didn't need to deal with the possible recast?

As I said, I'm not trying to invalidate people's own personal experiences with Cleric Stance. I know it's a flashpoint-topic for a reason, even amongst people who actually were around to use it (rather than just people parroting hearsay from a time when they weren't actually playing).

However, speaking personally, this just wasn't an issue. I guess I just hit my keys differently?

I mean yes, double-taps or key-errors could accidentally happen, same as fat-fingering Deliverance or Defiance at the wrong time. But it wasn't some kind of chronic disaster-causing nightmare, and if "Uh, everyone, I accidentally went back into Cleric" did cause a wipe, it was rare enough to be just be a "lol... okay, let's pull again" moment, same as people messing up anything else in current FFXIV (like, "Oops, I just pressed Benediction" or "Oops, I stood on NW when I was assigned to NE").

All that said, I feel like current FFXIV also has more design-safeguards for things like this anyway, probably as an evolutionary response to these kinds of issues. For example, splitting Cleric Stance into 2 Actions that flip-over with each other — like current Tank Stances — with a minimum brief recast locking the swap, could probably go a long way to prevent the kind of double-taps that you experienced.