Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Renathras]

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I know reading my posts isn't your strong suit, but there are some key words there you should pay attention to. Specifically "was considered" and "WASN'T seen as a huge problem since most people understood". Note I didn't say that was my personal opinion. But it does prove the point I made above correct.= and that the other guy kind of doesn't know what he's talking about.

lmao okay I played SMN in TEA. It wasn't harder than BLM.

Prove it. Post on your main.
(You'd still be wrong, mind you, but at least you'd be showing you have experience and are still wrong as opposed to talking out your rear end AND being wrong...))

To the ew babies reading this let me correct his misinfo.

You're not talking to - much less proving - anything to anyone other than the alts you hop on to like your posts. But let me help fix your oversights here:

Ruin cast time was 2.5 sec. Even if you pressed NOTHING BUT RUIN III for the entire 2 minutes, that would be 48. But it wasn't 48. 8 Egi-Assaults. 8 Ruin IVs. FBT 1-2 combo x4. Hardcast Bio and Miasma refreshes, and that's ignoring the oGCD weaving you actually had to do to maximize Bahamut damage. While you read about SMN somewhere, some of us actually played it.

let me move by using an instant cast on a caster. wow, so big brained

Scathe says hello.

I did consider mentioning the early DWT end to capture Bahamut under raid buffs, but didn't figure you were going to be enough of a potato that I'd need to clarify it. You are right about exactly one thing - good god was ghosting annoying.

I know you think

Clearly. Your upvote silliness as attested by regulars here who are familiar with your behavior is great and all, but has nothing to do with how much I know - and how much you don't.

to me again once

Say that when you post on a character who actually has. Looking up your character, you haven't cleared a solo deep dungeon (how is this even relevant to the PvE conversation or talking about 5.X SMN, btw?), got a t100 during a PvP season (how is this even relevant to the PvE conversation or talking about 5.X SMN, btw?), clear Ultimates on patch and savages week 1 on every single role (how is this even relevant to the PvE conversation or talking about 5.X SMN, btw?), get 99s (how is this even relevant to the PvE conversation or talking about 5.X SMN, btw?), clear Baldesion (I...have cleared Baldesion, do you not see my Ozma mount?) ALSO (how is this even relevant to the PvE conversation or talking about 5.X SMN, btw?), clear Delubrium Savage, breed a pedigree 9 chocobo (how is this even relevant to the PvE conversation or talking about 5.X SMN, btw?), craft for world first teams (how is this even relevant to the PvE conversation or talking about 5.X SMN, btw?), etc.

Put up or shut up. Let's see you post on your character that's actually done this.

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Most of that doesn't sound fun at all. EXCEPT Durochole/Lustrate being shields. I've said since at least ShB that SCH should have a Divine Benison-like ability that's an AF spender. It still makes no sense to me that the OG Barrier Healer almost never uses actual barrier spells and the OG Pure Healer has two charges of a short CD one that they can throw out left and right with no issue.

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As I recall, you kept talking about curry and I told you that I'd never had curry. Then we talked about wings.

Regardless, if the alternative is the status quo or a few Healer Jobs changing (but not all of them), would you genuinely prefer the status quo? Because that's the question before you, not "change a few or change all".

It's still the best option that would please the most people while alienating the fewest and keeping the game accessible to all player types, as per the Devs' apparent goal.

I liked old SMN (ARR-SB), like current SMN...I just hope they give it more complexity in 7.0, because as of right now it's a bit too easy.

Summoner was always my primary DPS since ARR but I like the current version best. Old summoner really felt like a hodge-podge of unrelated concepts that made no sense and culminated in it being irritating to play for most people. Now I see summoners all over the place.

Curious how it's developed for 7.0 though.

old smn felt like a bootleg version of affliction warlock from wow, i dont exactly mourn its passing

Agreed with pretty much all of this. SMN was the one Job where they just tacked something new on each expansion but never made the things actually work together well or in an intuitive or logical way. It was held together by duct tape, bubblegum, and hope, and somehow worked, but each addition threatened to destroy the delicate balance of "How tf does this still work?!"

The current version is far better DESIGNED, and arguably better fulfills the class fantasy of being a Summoner (for anyone that says "Nuh-uh! It doesn't have big cast time mega hitting summons like past FF games!!"; it does a HELL of a lot more than pre-EW SMN did...), but the two main problems are (1) it needs a few things to make it work a bit better (I proposed an ability in the DPS forum about SMN getting a button that gives it a free Primal use, kind of like Recitation for SCH with AF abilities, mainly for if you need to push a phase and don't want to resort to Ruin 3 casts and which would give some room to optimize, and people seemed to think that'd be a neat idea; and most people seem to agree getting the OG other three Primals of Levi, Ramuh, and Shiva after Phoenix would be cool), and the other issue is that some people LIKED "Warlock at home" and were robbed of it. They honestly should have either removed the Egis from old SMN and called it Green Mage while introducing new Summoner alongside it as a distinct Job OR made Evoker as what new SMN is and just...I dunno, never gave old SMN any new ability (the thing was a house of cards) again but given it some potency buffs with expansions and some new graphics and called it a day.

Also unlike Old SMN, New SMN is the one Job in the game that the statement "It's easy to master a Job, just read your tooltips!" is actually true of. Most Jobs in the game have some wonk or nuance that makes that not really true, and when it comes to being at all optimal and capturing things in buffs and coordination, not really at all. SMN, the one Job people call "braindead", is also the one Job you can read your tooltips and basically play entirely optimally. "low skill floor!"; that's what "read your tooltips, you don't need to go to sources outside of the game, how are you not getting this?? = near-optimal play" looks like. /shrug

Either way, New SMN is absolutely better from a design standpoint, but the removal of Old SMN did leave a void that has yet to be filled.

Current summoner is a good baseline for a lv50 job honestly (although energy drain is now completely stupid).

Huh. Go figure, you actually said something intelligent and that I agree with. Good job!

..., but it's a braindead job now and it's obvious that some of the people who like current SMN and go around repeating ad nauseum that old smn was a mess are just bad at the game lol

Oh wait, no. Yup, you ruined it.

And speaking of MCH, no one should expect them to build upon SMN no matter how good the "foundation" is. That's what MCHs thought back in ShB but they basically did not expand on MCH at all.

Are a bunch of people upset about MCH? From what I can tell, people seem to generally like the Job right now.