Let's redefine "damage taxes"

[FireMage]

"RDM competes with the other DPS"
As seen above, "other DPS" includes: Monk, Dragoon, Ninja, Samurai, Bard, Machinist, Dancer, Black Mage and Summoner.
But with the Party bonus existing, it is untrue. RDM will never had to compete with MNK or DRG.

This is no strawman argument, you exactly said "RDM competes with other DPS" and "EVERY DPS COMPETES WITH THE OTHER DPS" with the generosity of putting it in capslock

The contradiction is clear as day. You're free to correct yourself if you failed to convey your idea.





I stated a fact (the party bonus), you tried to contest it and claimed it was an opinion.
I proved the fact.

Nope, see you're still strawmanning. The party bonus has nothing to do with the fact that DPS compete with one another. Have a nice day, hope you figure it out

[CKNovel]

The party bonus has nothing to do with the fact that DPS compete with one another.

Thank you for this quote.

I didn't even tried to argue and got gold out of it.
I don't even need to elaborate the flaws reveals themselves.
We have reached the terminus.

Have a good day, sir/madam.

[FireMage]

I've never seen someone so happy they were shown to be strawmanning, but you do you

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

Is FireMage's daily post limit exhausted yet? I want this thread to have normal discussion again instead of constantly being derailed by FireMage.

[Ivtrix]

Is FireMage's daily post limit exhausted yet? I want this thread to have normal discussion again instead of constantly being derailed by FireMage.

I’m like 99% sure it’s just trolling at this point.

[FireMage]

I’m like 99% sure it’s just trolling at this point.

Not a troll in the slightest

[Urielparadox]

Factually wrong
Due to the role bonus, you will always have to pick at least 1 melee, 1 caster and 1 ranged for the sake of efficiency.
You have 1 flex spot that will most likely be taken by a melee as they offer more value to the group.

Therefore:
Melees compete for 2 spots among melees jobs.
Casters compete for 1 spot among casters jobs.
Rangeds compete for 1 spot among ranged jobs.

If all DPS competes with all DPS, then we would have 4 melees meta.

I still refuse to debate with you but correcting your so called "facts" will remain my guilty pleasure.
While remaining polite and not being personal of course.

I suggest you try to understand why everyone here disagrees with your takes.

This is unfortunately at the current "balance" 100% factually incorrect currently. You can currently do 3x melee partys and do vastly more damage than having 1 caster in the party. That is the major current issue. While fire mage has a lot wrong, you are extremely incorrect on this.

Nope, see you're still strawmanning. The party bonus has nothing to do with the fact that DPS compete with one another. Have a nice day, hope you figure it out

Incorrect when jobs are properly balanced, the 1% party bonus for having a cater outweighs having 3 dps. this greatly impacts dps competing for each other. If only 1 casted does viable damage, then that caster will be the only one allowed in content over another physical.

Which is happening currently p6 and p7 both have no mages which is very common.

[FireMage]

This is unfortunately at the current "balance" 100% factually incorrect currently. You can currently do 3x melee partys and do vastly more damage than having 1 caster in the party. That is the major current issue. While fire mage has a lot wrong, you are extremely incorrect on this.


Incorrect when jobs are properly balanced, the 1% party bonus for having a cater outweighs having 3 dps. this greatly impacts dps competing for each other. If only 1 casted does viable damage, then that caster will be the only one allowed in content over another physical.

Which is happening currently p6 and p7 both have no mages which is very common.

You literally just proved me right in a way, you realize that yes? That DPS compete with one another, independent of the party bonus

[Housinginneed]

I have not heard of a single good argument for this "balance based on difficulty good" side, other than like 3 people crying "but how else can i show off how elite i am?"

You haven't as none exist. RDM competes with the other DPS, MNK competes with the other DPS, EVERY DPS COMPETES WITH THE OTHER DPS. Not balancing on difficulty does nothing but punish those that excel at higher complexity Jobs

Like i said, this is the only argument you have.

[FireMage]

Like i said, this is the only argument you have.

Well given it's a fact I don't need anything else