Let's redefine "damage taxes"

[Ivtrix]

And what I know is balance. Someone doesn't even need to touch XIV to be able to read and understand parse data, t-cup

You have in no way shape or form, proven that you know anything about balance of this game. All of your incoherent ramblings have led me to surmise that you do not, in fact, have any semblance of what you are doing. You are so confidently incorrect that you might as well rename yourself to “Dunning-Kruger”. You have been made a fool of several times, especially by Aikaal, who in fact brings solid evidence to iterate his points and it is clear by the way he presents himself he will know more about the balance of this game that you ever will. I award you no points, and may God have mercy upon your soul.

You are summarily dismissed.

[Aikaal]

You have in no way shape or form, proven that you know anything about balance of this game. All of your incoherent ramblings have led me to surmise that you do not, in fact, have any semblance of what you are doing. You are so confidently incorrect that you might as well rename yourself to “Dunning-Kruger”. You have been made a fool of several times, especially by Aikaal, who in fact brings solid evidence to iterate his points and it is clear by the way he presents himself he will know more about the balance of this game that you ever will. I award you no points, and may God have mercy upon your soul.

You are summarily dismissed.

[Rithy255]

No it doesn't, because the Phoenix regen isn't an on-demand heal over time. You get it when you summon Phoenix, which you'd do as soon as it's available because that's how your rotation flows on SMN, not because of outgoing party damage. Magick Barrier is on demand damage mitigation that you can plan for and use whenever you want as long as it's not on CD. A vast majority of the time when I use phoenix, its party heal goes out to a group that's already topped off because phoenix didn't line up with any outgoing party damage and holding phoenix excessively to wait for damage to occur is wildly sub-optimal and pointless. If magicked barrier were like smn regen, you'd be forced to use it the second it came off cd, whether there was damage incoming or not. You would have zero actual agency over when it went out, and most of the time it would accomplish nothing.

This comparison is honestly so inaccurate, and it's what I meant by bad faith arguments earlier. Even disregarding the difference between raw mitigation and healing over time, just the fact that MB can be used on demand makes it so much better.

I actually think casters in general should be buffed, BLM should even be ahead of samurai (I know hot take)

If you have good enough healers they will know when phoneix is out, this depends on the situations but It does come in use quite a lot, It's pretty useful for what it is even if you can't time it because good healers will make use of it, as it's static they know each and everytime it's going out. Magik Barrier is Addle 2, both are about as useful as each other but generally magick barrier, I generally agree has more general uses, Phonenix Regen is more useful then you give credit, obviously it doesn't compare to Magick barrier, but both are honestly just tiny utilities that don't really even effect much and I'll make that pretty clear.

What I will say is the actual mobility of summoner way overshadows Magick barrier in a lot of cases, It's a massive reason why people want a smn over red mage, SMN can pratically act as a phys ranged 80% of the time it's really useful in Progression when you really don't know when is a good time to move or not, I feel like you just ignored this and talked about phoneix regen when I first said summoner mobility, It's a massive advantage over red mage in general.

I mainly just disagree with the fact you think a 10% Barrier utility is the reason why RDM should be lower then SMN when SMN has lots of options to also support their team, they have so much mobility compared to RDM ontop of that.

[Housinginneed]

And this logic fails due to not considering actual difficulty. MCH shouldn't be doing as much damage as a RDM, just like SMN. Also all rDPS numbers being within 1% of each other is not true balance

You idiots who thinks MMOs should have same balance as other competitive games like League needs to gtfo.
20 years of MMO and I've never seen people argue FOR "balance based on difficulty", only here in ffxiv, only recently, perhaps due to how every single popular online game has bronze-master tier ranking system.
Who the fuck are you even competing against?

I have heard multiple, good arguments as to why "balance based on difficulty bad", including how it would have a negative impact on the game and it's community.
I have not heard of a single good argument for this "balance based on difficulty good" side, other than like 3 people crying "but how else can i show off how elite i am?"

[SaberMaxwell]

You idiots who thinks MMOs should have same balance as other competitive games like League needs to gtfo.
20 years of MMO and I've never seen people argue FOR "balance based on difficulty", only here in ffxiv, only recently, perhaps due to how every single popular online game has bronze-master tier ranking system.
Who the fuck are you even competing against?

I have heard multiple, good arguments as to why "balance based on difficulty bad", including how it would have a negative impact on the game and it's community.
I have not heard of a single good argument for this "balance based on difficulty good" side, other than like 3 people crying "but how else can i show off how elite i am?"

If only these arguments only began recently. I've been seeing and participating in this discussion since Stormblood.

[Lyth]

It goes like this. The job which does the highest damage for the least effort ends up being the most populated. They end up becoming the most vocal faction in online discussions, and often end up promoting claims of their own job's supposed 'difficulty' while disparaging that of other jobs.

The problem is that the dev team take the loudest statements at face value, without evaluating why people make those claims in the first place. They then simplify the supposedly difficult job, and everyone is surprisedpikachu that their favorite job is being mistreated so. Mid to late expansion, players actually start trying out other jobs and discover that they were not as simple as originally claimed. They start asking questions about why the balance is so grossly skewed, and then we start seeing adjustments in the correct direction.

And you're right, it's been going on since Stormblood and 4.2's Unga Bunga at the very least.

[Kalaam]

People who think jobs that are more complex should be doing the most damage think they are competing with their own team, instead of working together to defeat the boss.
It's a team game, if you want to adjust power based on kit complexity, talk about that in the PvP forums, where it actually matters.

[FireMage]

You still say MCH should be at the bottom and job difficulty dictates balance, so no you clearly don't

Me saying those things is an indicator that I know how balance actual works actually. Try again

You idiots who thinks MMOs should have same balance as other competitive games like League needs to gtfo.
20 years of MMO and I've never seen people argue FOR "balance based on difficulty", only here in ffxiv, only recently, perhaps due to how every single popular online game has bronze-master tier ranking system.
Who the fuck are you even competing against?

I have heard multiple, good arguments as to why "balance based on difficulty bad", including how it would have a negative impact on the game and it's community.
I have not heard of a single good argument for this "balance based on difficulty good" side, other than like 3 people crying "but how else can i show off how elite i am?"

You haven't as none exist. RDM competes with the other DPS, MNK competes with the other DPS, EVERY DPS COMPETES WITH THE OTHER DPS. Not balancing on difficulty does nothing but punish those that excel at higher complexity Jobs

[CKNovel]

You haven't as none exist. RDM competes with the other DPS, MNK competes with the other DPS, EVERY DPS COMPETES WITH THE OTHER DPS. Not balancing on difficulty does nothing but punish those that excel at higher complexity Jobs

Factually wrong
Due to the role bonus, you will always have to pick at least 1 melee, 1 caster and 1 ranged for the sake of efficiency.
You have 1 flex spot that will most likely be taken by a melee as they offer more value to the group.

Therefore:
Melees compete for 2 spots among melees jobs.
Casters compete for 1 spot among casters jobs.
Rangeds compete for 1 spot among ranged jobs.

If all DPS competes with all DPS, then we would have 4 melees meta.

I still refuse to debate with you but correcting your so called "facts" will remain my guilty pleasure.
While remaining polite and not being personal of course.

I suggest you try to understand why everyone here disagrees with your takes.

[FireMage]

Factually wrong
Due to the role bonus, you will always have to pick at least 1 melee, 1 caster and 1 ranged for the sake of efficiency.
You have 1 flex spot that will most likely be taken by a melee as they offer more value to the group.

Therefore:
Melees compete for 2 spots among melees jobs.
Casters compete for 1 spot among casters jobs.
Rangeds compete for 1 spot among ranged jobs.

If all DPS competes with all DPS, then we would have 4 melees meta.

I still refuse to debate with you but correcting your so called "facts" will remain my guilty pleasure.
While remaining polite and not being personal of course.

I suggest you try to understand why everyone here disagrees with your takes.

Someone doesn't get how balance works and then strawmans, adorable