Changes to Savage Loot Lock System

[Shurrikhan]

this comes up every time a new savage tier is about to come out. system ain't broke. ppl just wanna get stuff fast but they want you to keep playing, so there's nothing you can do about that.

Doc, just one of these times it'd be nice if you actually read the OP before trying to bring down 'ye hammer of pragmatic realism'.

This would not increase the number of chests for a typical run. It just makes it so your entire carrot for running a raid in a given week isn't cut in half the moment you can't find 7 others who have yet to do the raid that week and have to rely instead on help from a friend who has already cleared to round out those numbers.

That would lead to people wanting to always clear with 7 people who already cleared so they are guaranteed 2 chests all for themself.

Likewise, already in the OP (brackets added for the context I snipped out):

I propose just locking the character [who has already had his one weekly chance at loot] out of loot like it already does. Just get rid of the 2 chest [party-wide penalty] system, and make everything 2 chest.

[Izscha]

Doc, just one of these times it'd be nice if you actually read the OP before trying to bring down 'ye hammer of pragmatic realism'.

This would not increase the number of chests for a typical run. It just makes it so your entire carrot for running a raid in a given week isn't cut in half the moment you can't find 7 others who have yet to do the raid that week and have to rely instead on help from a friend who has already cleared to round out those numbers.



Likewise, already in the OP (brackets added for the context I snipped out):

2 chest for 8 persons on a first clear of the week for a competent group.
2 chest for 6/7 persons on a clear for people who can't do it without someone else who already have do it.
You dont see what's wrong with this solution ? You get gear faster by subbing someone who already cleared over time than a groupe of 8 poeple doing it right.
You get the picture and how it breaks any balance ?

[Shurrikhan]

2 chest for 8 persons on a first clear of the week for a competent group.
2 chest for 6/7 persons on a clear for people who can't do it without someone else who already have do it.
You dont see what's wrong with this solution ? You get gear faster by subbing someone who already cleared over time than a groupe of 8 poeple doing it right.
You get the picture and how it breaks any balance ?

You're saying that like it's a matter of subbing in people who have cleared the boss at least once to support a party of learners. That is case where they are already taken for the carry, as the completion value will exceed that of the loot itself. But that's not who would primarily from this. Rather, it would be whoever has already cleared the given raid, just not yet this week, and needs an 8th person, as has commonly been suggested by merely shifting the penalty by one person/chest.

And if the situation in which the gear has already typically been worth sacrificing is such an issue, then--again--simply completely remove the two chest system as a concept. Instead, if you want to imitate the earlier results exactly (minus the chance for any form of gear cheese) each person who clears has, on their first clear only, a 25% chance at a piece of loot, just as before. If they don't want it, they can trade it to, or exchange with a party member who also cleared for the first time that week. Or, just straight up remove the RNG, guaranteeing a piece of flexible raid-unique currency, while charging a higher amount of said currency accordingly so the loot acquisition rate remains, averaged over a party, exactly the same. Until you clear the second tier of the given raid, you can only spend it on whatever the first would have dropped; until you clear the third, you can only purchase what's from the first and second; and so on. Done. Less inventory bloat. Less RNG. No faster gear acquisition, nor any slower (unless you were somehow managing to milk/ninja/guilt loot out of your party previously and such wouldn't work over Trade).

[Izscha]

You're saying that like it's a matter of subbing in people who have cleared the boss at least once to support a party of learners. That is case where they are already taken for the carry, as the completion value will exceed that of the loot itself. But that's not who would primarily from this. Rather, it would be whoever has already cleared the given raid, just not yet this week, and needs an 8th person, as has commonly been suggested by merely shifting the penalty by one person/chest.

And if the situation in which the gear has already typically been worth sacrificing is such an issue, then--again--simply completely remove the two chest system as a concept. Instead, if you want to imitate the earlier results exactly (minus the chance for any form of gear cheese) each person who clears has, on their first clear only, a 25% chance at a piece of loot, just as before. If they don't want it, they can trade it to, or exchange with a party member who also cleared for the first time that week. Or, just straight up remove the RNG, guaranteeing a piece of flexible raid-unique currency, while charging a higher amount of said currency accordingly so the loot acquisition rate remains, averaged over a party, exactly the same. Until you clear the second tier of the given raid, you can only spend it on whatever the first would have dropped; until you clear the third, you can only purchase what's from the first and second; and so on. Done. Less inventory bloat. Less RNG. No faster gear acquisition, nor any slower (unless you were somehow managing to milk/ninja/guilt loot out of your party previously and such wouldn't work over Trade).

That's not up to SE to changes things so people can have everything even if they're not in a full party.
You want your 2 chests you have 8 ppl during the week, if you dont you can still clear it with someone else but you give up part of the loot as a price for it and it's far better than having nothing.
That's on your group if you cant be 8 this week no matter what the reason is, so why SE should care about your groups life more than others ?
And if people do prefer to no clear it and loose everything 1 week because "i want 2 chests" that's their greed that do cost them the more, not the rules.

I do get it, you guys wants everything asap but sometimes you dont and it's not a big deal either.
Heck i even help groups who were just happy to have their book monday evening because almost half of them could not make it during this week.

If you're not greedy you wont have a problem with this system, if you are sure let's make magic fix so everyone get everything and all is good and wonderful.

[Shurrikhan]

OP: I'd like to be able to help my FC mates waiting forever to find an 8th member for late-week raids without costing them half their loot.

you guys wants everything asap

Ahh, flagrant reductionism, we meet again.

[Izscha]

OP: I'd like to be able to help my FC mates waiting forever to find an 8th member for late-week raids without costing them half their loot.


Ahh, flagrant reductionism, we meet again.

So once again it was never about helping, it's more about i want to give my friends stuff.
Nothing stops you from helping anyone, what stops you is the fact that they rightfully dont get full loot, hence greed.
Thanks for pointing it out.

[Anonicat]

Doc, just one of these times it'd be nice if you actually read the OP before trying to bring down 'ye hammer of pragmatic realism'.

This would not increase the number of chests for a typical run. It just makes it so your entire carrot for running a raid in a given week isn't cut in half the moment you can't find 7 others who have yet to do the raid that week and have to rely instead on help from a friend who has already cleared to round out those numbers.



Likewise, already in the OP (brackets added for the context I snipped out):

I am a bit late but in reference to Jeeq's post. It doesn't matter that happens already. Second people can take a social stance against that and simply not do a group where 1 person is trying to take all the loot in a PF, and just disband it. Kind of like how 2 chest groups disband when 7/8 haven't cleared, and loot is cut in half.