Changes to Savage Loot Lock System

[DrWho2010]

this comes up every time a new savage tier is about to come out. system ain't broke. ppl just wanna get stuff fast but they want you to keep playing, so there's nothing you can do about that.

[Anonicat]

this comes up every time a new savage tier is about to come out. system ain't broke. ppl just wanna get stuff fast but they want you to keep playing, so there's nothing you can do about that.

Has nothing to do with getting stuff fast. Do you really think the system stops people from getting near BIS in like a month if not less? People who want to get it that fast will.. They have their alts, that they do split raids with, and they get the gear super quick. It would stop nothing.

What I want is too be able to play with my friends (you know that social thing, mmos are meant for? ), without screwing over their loot. It's tiresome to have to tell "No" to my friends who need a sub or fill in for a clear group, because i already cleared, and they'd lose loot. And if you really think Square Enix does a great job at keeping raiders playing. They do not. Many people who do PVE content. Clear content that is released with a patch in less than a subscriptions worth of time and then leave the game. When most people can get most content they release done in a day to a week, it doesn't do a good job at keeping players there.

And the tomestone currency cap is good enough for slowing down the BIS Acquisition rate.

[Izscha]

Has nothing to do with getting stuff fast. Do you really think the system stops people from getting near BIS in like a month if not less? People who want to get it that fast will.. They have their alts, that they do split raids with, and they get the gear super quick. It would stop nothing.

What I want is too be able to play with my friends (you know that social thing, mmos are meant for? ), without screwing over their loot. It's tiresome to have to tell "No" to my friends who need a sub or fill in for a clear group, because i already cleared, and they'd lose loot. And if you really think Square Enix does a great job at keeping raiders playing. They do not. Many people who do PVE content. Clear content that is released with a patch in less than a subscriptions worth of time and then leave the game. When most people can get most content they release done in a day to a week, it doesn't do a good job at keeping players there.

And the tomestone currency cap is good enough for slowing down the BIS Acquisition rate.

If wanting to play with ur friends is what you truly want, how does this come in the way ?
No one is stopping you to do those with your friends, just no loot
Never had a problem with this system because if i join friends of mine and already got my clear before them, it's most of the time because they're stuck there anyway so clear with them is just the priority, not the gear.

[Anonicat]

If wanting to play with ur friends is what you truly want, how does this come in the way ?
No one is stopping you to do those with your friends, just no loot
Never had a problem with this system because if i join friends of mine and already got my clear before them, it's most of the time because they're stuck there anyway so clear with them is just the priority, not the gear.

Have you ever considered that some people love to help people clear. That some teams might be missing just one person fully capable of clearing. That people might.. i don't know play with more than 7 people.. or god forbid like raiding? Yes we do exist. The patch that drops right after the savage tier say 5.3 for example it gets to be pretty dead in PF, having to wait months to be able to do multiple runs a day.

It seems you are just wanting to gatekeep loot, tbh. When in reality. Getting BIS is guaranteed, and nothing is going to stop that. I just want to play with my friends, and join PF's and help clear. (You know being social like most do in MMO.)

[Izscha]

Have you ever considered that some people love to help people clear. That some teams might be missing just one person fully capable of clearing. That people might.. i don't know play with more than 7 people.. or god forbid like raiding? Yes we do exist. The patch that drops right after the savage tier say 5.3 for example it gets to be pretty dead in PF, having to wait months to be able to do multiple runs a day.

It seems you are just wanting to gatekeep loot, tbh. When in reality. Getting BIS is guaranteed, and nothing is going to stop that. I just want to play with my friends, and join PF's and help clear. (You know being social like most do in MMO.)

You're quick to jump on conclusion aren't you.
Huh dunno why you're so offensive about it but i will answer anyway :
I dont gatekeep sh*t because i dont care about others and what they do, you say it yourself getting BiS is just a matter of time, so what's the problem here ?
If your friends wants to play with you they will, if they value the chest more than playing with their friend that is willing to help, are those really your friends in the first place ?
I do help a lot of ppl on the side, but their needs comes after mine i do play to have my shit and then sure if someone needs help let's go, if they just want gear and dont care about anything else, dont bring the "i want to play with my friends" it's such a non-sense.
if they NEED you to get a clear because they can't otherwise, 1 chest isn't such a huge price to begin with, and they'all have 2 the next week now that they know what to do.
No truly i dont get how it's a problem, you want to raid with your friends you can whenever you like, they'll have their gear later so what ? They must have it asap but they can't do it by themselves first why should they have 2 chests then if they cant do it on their own ?

[Anonicat]

You're quick to jump on conclusion aren't you.
Huh dunno why you're so offensive about it but i will answer anyway :
I dont gatekeep sh*t because i dont care about others and what they do, you say it yourself getting BiS is just a matter of time, so what's the problem here ?
If your friends wants to play with you they will, if they value the chest more than playing with their friend that is willing to help, are those really your friends in the first place ?
I do help a lot of ppl on the side, but their needs comes after mine i do play to have my shit and then sure if someone needs help let's go, if they just want gear and dont care about anything else, dont bring the "i want to play with my friends" it's such a non-sense.
if they NEED you to get a clear because they can't otherwise, 1 chest isn't such a huge price to begin with, and they'all have 2 the next week now that they know what to do.
No truly i dont get how it's a problem, you want to raid with your friends you can whenever you like, they'll have their gear later so what ? They must have it asap but they can't do it by themselves first why should they have 2 chests then if they cant do it on their own ?

It's not non-sense. But you aren't reading what I am saying. People do want to play with friends. People do want to hop into PF's, and help people clear and get them loot. They are just non-existant items. FFXIV items aren't real *gasps*. When 2 chest is 4 pieces of gear, and and 1 is 2. its a massive difference.

And to answer your last question. There are plenty of times I clear, then a friend group asks me to sub, because some people do miss because ....*gasps* they have a real life. I know with covid and all that going on.. that people are terminally online, but some do still have to pay the bills, feed their kids, and work, and may not be able to raid all the time.

It's a problem cause it is inherently socially restrictive, and antithetical to social MMO design which this game is supposed to be about.
For me I want to play with friends, the loot to me doesn't matter but to someone else, potentially a friend or something it may matter, because they may have different plans for themselves. You can't take what I am saying for myself on loot not mattering and trying to apply it to everyone.

[Izscha]

It's not non-sense. But you aren't reading what I am saying. People do want to play with friends. People do want to hop into PF's, and help people clear and get them loot. They are just non-existant items. FFXIV items aren't real *gasps*. When 2 chest is 4 pieces of gear, and and 1 is 2. its a massive difference.

And to answer your last question. There are plenty of times I clear, then a friend group asks me to sub, because some people do miss because ....*gasps* they have a real life. I know with covid and all that going on.. that people are terminally online, but some do still have to pay the bills, feed their kids, and work, and may not be able to raid all the time.

It's a problem cause it is inherently socially restrictive, and antithetical to social MMO design which this game is supposed to be about.
For me I want to play with friends, the loot to me doesn't matter but to someone else, potentially a friend or something it may matter, because they may have different plans for themselves. You can't take what I am saying for myself on loot not mattering and trying to apply it to everyone.

Yeah that's what i thought, it was never about helping or playing with friends, it's just about greed.
Thanks for the answer !

[Copenblend]

Honestly don't have a good answer for how the loot issue should be solved - I just know that it should.

You should not be effectively shunned from PUGs because you cleared a fight already. People should be able to raid to their hearts content. I want to raid, then raid more, with friends, statics, and pugs - because I want to get good at the fight, or I like a particular encounter, or w/e reason I have. The current system inhibits that, for what?

My static is pretty casual. I play with them because I like them - and raiding with them, while not always progressing, is a lot of fun. We laugh and joke around. People waste time with meme pulls. I like that part of the game. I also play a lot more than most of them, and have a pretty strong desire to be as good at the game as I can be. I want to also play when they aren't around, and play more seriously.

The current system wants you to sacrifice one of these things for the other. That's not a net good. None of the arguments thus far have been even close to a good enough reason to inhibit free raiding.

1 chance at rolling for 1 piece of loot and 1 token per week is plenty restrictive.
If your static wants to swap out 6 alts over several fights so that everyone guantees that when they roll they get something - they deserve it. They put in the work to get their alts to a level where they can do that.

If you successfully put a PUG together with 7 people who have already cleared the fight so that you are guaranteed loot - you earned it.

Me clearing in a PUG and thus hamstringing my static is a bad system.
Me clearing with my static and thus hamstringing my ability to participate in PUGs is a bad system.

I don't care in the slightlest who gets what loot and when - I just want to be able to play the content (with no additional rewards for myself) without artifical barriers.