Changes to Savage Loot Lock System

[Liam_Harper]

This comes up all the time. We suggest the simple fix of the chance of a chest spawning decreasing by 12.5% for each person who cleared that week, as well as players who have looted that week being ineligible to roll. This means you can help friends without wrecking their loot.

...And as usual everyone will ignore it and parrot nonsense about how it'd be unfair and you could infinitely farm gear and break the game because they didn't read.

[Izscha]

This comes up all the time. We suggest the simple fix of the chance of a chest spawning decreasing by 12.5% for each person who cleared that week, as well as players who have looted that week being ineligible to roll. This means you can help friends without wrecking their loot.

...And as usual everyone will ignore it and parrot nonsense about how it'd be unfair and you could infinitely farm gear and break the game because they didn't read.

Ok great you got an idea, and because of that i must say "Yeah sure let's change it!" i can't have my own opinion on the matter and be ok with the current system ?
Nah i can't, i must think that it needs to change because you guys wants it, you can bring the best "fix" ever ( If it does need a fix, i dont think so) , i like the system this way and it lets little room to ppl who would try to abuse it.
It's a MMO, they're here to waste your time and if you're a raider that's how you waste time, fixed weekly loots 2 chests if no one did it the first week, that's the rules those being fair or not is totally irrelevant.
And if you can't get all your things killed during this week and need the help of someone who did it, you pay the price you still have your book and you have 1 chest that's it.
I see nothing wrong with this system, and i did help a lot of poeple that would never had killed it this week without me, they have 1 less chest but at least they have 2 items and the books.

And making it even more RNG while the items already are you can be sure you would see a lot of ppl crying here that they had 87.5 % and it did not appear.
You want your stuff you kill the stuff with your group, if you can't no big deal maybe next week you ll get it and those who do things right will get their stuff week after week.

It's way better to loose 1 chest and have the kill to have nothing

And i will answer only this once about what the op keep saying like it's an argument "YEAH BUT PEOPLE DO HAVE A LIFE YOU KNOW".
Yeah, me too i do have a life and if i can't get my items 1 week because i can't be there it's not the end of the world, if one guy of my group can't raid for the whole week and i have 1 chest i will gladly accept it, once again having the book + 2 items is still good and way better than having nothing.

[Liam_Harper]

And making it even more RNG while the items already are you can be sure you would see a lot of ppl crying here that they had 87.5 % and it did not appear.
You want your stuff you kill the stuff with your group, if you can't no big deal maybe next week you ll get it and those who do things right will get their stuff week after week.

So your argument against an improved system is "people who can't do math would whine they didn't get loot they didn't deserve"? I see no reason to refuse to improve the loot system because of those people.

If 1 person had the clear and the chest had a 87.5% chance to appear as a result ...but didn't, that's simply the equivalent odds of bringing in an 8th person who didn't have the clear and they won the 1 in 8 odds on a Need roll. So your odds of getting loot don't unfairly decrease even if 1 chest vanished by RNG. It's the same RNG as rolling for loot. Or very similar (I won't claim my math is perfect).

Also remember people who kill a boss are ineligible for loot even if chests drop in other runs. It's impossible to abuse such a system for extra gear.

[Anonicat]

No point going further when the only thing you're capable of is clearly attacking anyone that may not think like you, look at your answer each time, you're not here to discuss anything you're here to tell us your truth and that we must comply to it.
Learn to behave in a forum and we can talk later all you want, rn it's impossible.

Cheers !

You haven't cleared savage have you? I can tell. So you really don't get a say. You're implying I'm greedy. So who is the toxic one. You keep implying negative intentions on me or my friends behalf over greed in a video game.

Newsflash. Someone can still get all the loot now. And it can be still funneled. If it was a greedy mechanic. I doubt square enix would do it.

It's a socially restrictive feature, if you can't see that you most likely don't clear savage or have alot of groups of people to run with

[Izscha]

You haven't cleared savage have you? I can tell. So you really don't get a say.

Sigh, i really dont want to come down to this because i do know you'll end up crying in the corner like each single time and try another pointless attack to have the final word.
Drop it, if i need to start and destroy your little bit of ego left it will end up badly.
You got one of my character name on this forum, so when you want to start a thing like that you use your brain and you check out its fflogs before saying this.
Even more when it's someone who started savage in shadowbringer, you really have no say about it, humble yourself a bit it's better for you.

[Anonicat]

Sigh, i really dont want to come down to this because i do know you'll end up crying in the corner like each single time and try another pointless attack to have the final word.
Drop it, if i need to start and destroy your little bit of ego left it will end up badly.
You got one of my character name on this forum, so when you want to start a thing like that you use your brain and you check out its fflogs before saying this.
Even more when it's someone who started savage in shadowbringer, you really have no say about it, humble yourself a bit it's better for you.

LOL. I did check it out. Thats why i said it my dude. go ahead FFLOGS mine . And i totally do have a say about it you know why. cause i actually raid. I've stayed subbed throughout the content draught (helping people clear). Cleared 3/4 in Decemember, and helped friends clear who started on e9. Then eventually killed e12s. 5.5 Hits and the PF dies. Why? Loot lock. and the announcement of no new ultimate. Unlock of tier comes around and the all of a sudden its like the PF becomes bright. And you see its people like you that really don't understand. I know I'll get BiS. That's not a problem for me in the slightest. But my friends they may care about loot. They may want to get BIS and leave the game, and come back, and if i've cleared thats taken away from their loot.

Either way. I am asking Square Enix to change the system. If i need to level alts to play with my friends, i will do. I am simply asking Square enix to respect my damn time as a player who loves to play with friends from all over the world, and my damn money. That's not a hard ask. Considering there content doesnt keep a majority of players around.

Btw if i find 7 other people with 8 alts, and we raid. We could split raid and have BIS in 2 weeks. So for your argument of wanting everything asap. Check Mate.

[Floortank]

With Endwalker coming up can we get changes to loot lock system in Savage. I believe waiting X amount of months for the loot to always be 2 chest is not only detrimental to the PF community, but also goes against social design in MMO's.

With the way it is set up currently, if 1 person in a group has cleared for the week then 1 chest is awarded instead of 2. This is honestly kind of bad. It disincentivizes being social and finding friends to play with, and instead locking me to playing with only 7 people a week to clear with.

I would like to be able to help and join my friends raid groups on a whim, without having to make multiple alts slogging through the story, or paying 50 dollars to boost toons, and still having to do the story again, and not having to worry if i'm screwing my friends out of loot.

I propose just locking the character out of loot like it already does. Just get rid of the 2 chest system, and make everything 2 chest.

Just get rid of the 2 chest system lock. And instead just keep the character locked.

This idea would incentivize running solely with seven people who've cleared and make the game less social and reduce the availability of prog parties. Bad idea.

[Anonicat]

This idea would incentivize running solely with seven people who've cleared and make the game less social and reduce the availability of prog parties. Bad idea.

And the current system already does that. You know statics are made and people get gear funneled right? Still playing with 7 people. 5.5 when the tier was over. PF was dead alot. Unlocking loot helped revitalize it a bit.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And the current system doesn't already do that. You know statics are made and people get gear funneled right? Still playing with 7 people. 5.5 when the tier was over. PF was dead alot. Unlocking loot helped revitalize it a bit.

Isn't that more because people already got what gear they wanted and took breaks until the expansion?


My group cleared the tier late and I have nearly every job at bis, and we stopped for the tier 3 or 4 months ago.... (really only missing the caster coat from e12s)

[ItMe]

My group cleared the tier late and [...]

For context, can you please define "late?"
For some people that's 4th week, for others that's 14th week.