Quote Originally Posted by Ivellior View Post
I can see your arguments, but they really feel far streched, and some to the point of being borderline illogical.
You are both right and wrong, and the reasons why have already been explained in this thread (go read the whole post, it's really good):

Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
The folks who are speaking most vehemently for the conflicting positions here are literally seeing the issue as two entirely different things.
The two of you will never agree on this issue, but neither of you is 'right'.