It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[SamRF]

Being able to turn down battle effects is to aid gaming rig performance and to make it easier for players to spot things in combat that could kill them. A glam can't obstruct your vision in combat to the point that it could get you killed.

And if your gaming rig needs glam removal to perform better...honestly that wouldn't be enough to improve things. Battle effects are significantly more taxing on hardware than clothing. I have a great pc and sometimes in certain fights my fps can drop (usually in a boss's ultimate attack) but on days when a new patch comes out and the entire server is sitting on top of msq npcs my performance doesn't drop in any noticeable way.

If your rig has difficulty performing well due to glams, then it would suffer tremendously in combat even with battle effects low.

EDIT: as for audio options, again players can turn down the music and increase the audio of combat so they can hear audio cues for boss abilities better.

What if they added options for other character model graphics, and the lowest option changes everyone into a unrecognizable blur (except yourself). TBH I would actually kind of like that for immersion purposes. In all instances you're actually supposed to be solo Warrior of Light kicking everyones ass on your own. If you could change other players into a blur, it could feel perhaps like they are mere incantations casted by you and not real. Make this option only apply to other players and not npc's.

I'm guessing however this might be difficult to implement with current engine. There isn't even an option to alter character model graphics in general.

[Ivellior]

Being able to turn down battle effects is to aid gaming rig performance and to make it easier for players to spot things in combat that could kill them. A glam can't obstruct your vision in combat to the point that it could get you killed.

And if your gaming rig needs glam removal to perform better...honestly that wouldn't be enough to improve things. Battle effects are significantly more taxing on hardware than clothing. I have a great pc and sometimes in certain fights my fps can drop (usually in a boss's ultimate attack) but on days when a new patch comes out and the entire server is sitting on top of msq npcs my performance doesn't drop in any noticeable way.

If your rig has difficulty performing well due to glams, then it would suffer tremendously in combat even with battle effects low.

EDIT: as for audio options, again players can turn down the music and increase the audio of combat so they can hear audio cues for boss abilities better.

The option to turn off and option battle effects is not solely for performance. In fact if you turn your graphics settings to minimum and battle effects are will still be on.

The option is there for the players to change it in order to improve their gameplay and enjoyment of the game. Don't like the flashy effects grating on your eyes? Toggle it and it's off. The very same logic applies to glamours. Don't it like? Toggle it off. Please don't try to twist my argument.

Are you repeating that in every major Thread that demands that devs remove genderlocks? Or is now the only time you suddenly care about the dev's vision?

I will be mean now and my rant will use broad strokes and probably implicate a lot of people it shouldn't, so parental advisory I guess?

Of course they don't. These people never cared about the devs or their vision. The fact is the devs never wanted to remove the gender locks and they just caved in since people kept complaining and complaining about it. Because, let's face it, if you keep asking for something loud enough and long enough, and it's not too much work, it will eventually be implemented. That is precicely the reason people want to shut down this request. All these people care about is their agenda.

/endrant.

[Penthea]

Are you repeating that in every major Thread that demands that devs remove genderlocks? Or is now the only time you suddenly care about the dev's vision?

Are we going to compare asking for an outfit your character can wear to asking for a way to seeing no one's outfits? Really?

Again...huge difference between customising how your character looks and having control over how someone else looks. Just because I may ask the devs to remove gender locking on gear doesn't mean I demand to see everyone to wear the gear I think is suitable for them.

But apparently being able to happily exist in an online game where I see traces of differing tastes is an alien concept to some people.

[Barachim]

I'm asking when it's ok to demand of the devs to bend their vision, and when it's not.

But apparently being able to happily exist in an online game where I see traces of differing tastes is an alien concept to some people.

Even if that's the case. What's the point to be bothered by how someone else wants to experience the game, especially when it has not the slightest affect on how you experience the game? I would like to watch cutscenes without feeling like I got lost on the set of Sesame Street. If a simple Glamour Toggle feature would exist, I would gladly use it whenever I continue the MSQ, so I can keep up the immersion of fighting alongside seasoned adventurers.

I am still perplexed by the energy some people put into fighting a simple Glamour Toggle request, especially when it doesn't affect the way they perceive the world on their own Monitor.

[Penthea]

I'm asking when it's ok to demand of the devs to bend their vision, and when it's not.

Again...

There is a huge difference in asking the devs to change their vision so you can dress how you like...and asking the devs to change their vision so you can alter how other people look to fit your own vision.

Can't tell the difference between dressing yourself, and dressing up other players? Seriously?

[Penthea]

While I disagree with glam removal I do understand why some people want it.

Dislike seeing lore breaking gear? I totally get it. Some glams can be very distracting.

Don't like how certain outfits look? I get that too. Some people have horrendous fashion sense and use woeful dye combinations.

The above has some merit because taste is personal and I completely understand preferring to not see certain things.

Thinking that asking the devs for something you want to wear is the same as asking the devs to have control over seeing what other people wear is the same thing? No I don't get that because it is factually incorrect.

It is precisely because these are not the same thing that this thread even exists in the first place.

[SturmChurro]

Some players have suggested that if glam removal comes to the game, then a person using it should have some sort of visual tag attached to them so that others know they have hidden glams. If that comes to the game even that tag would say something about that player, as would the absence of the tag.

I feel that glam removal is a sensitive topic because some people are not comfortable with the idea that another person can remove things they feel define themselves a lot. It would especially sting if a player's character has visual aspects of themselves that society would normally shun them for. It can make a person feel that not even in games do they have the freedom to be themselves without someone denying that people like them do or should be permitted to exist.

You don't have to worry, from the start I have always thought this thread's suggestion was worthless; a stupid feature. People shouldn't be fooled by the size of this thread, I think it's idea and all posts herein are without merit, and half of them I think are literally just to get a rise out of others. I like making stupid replies, nonsensical posts, and ridiculous statements as much as anyone else here, but people need to step back from this thread, and game(s) to reevaluate their online interactions.

If people were able to do that I suspect a lot of video game drama between players would cease to exist.

What you said is one of the reasons I had a fall out with a friend, his girlfriend at the time was part of a prominent rp guild in tor, doing warzone...

Warzones... Oh my God! Those bring back so many memories! A friend and I would queue together, and we were known as being extremely toxic, just as everyone else was toxic with us, we would go in there and outperform most others so we earned that right. We were known on that server for a time, that and a few other extremely toxic pvp clans would see eachother all the time and talk SO MUCH poop to eachother God, those days were hilarious. Made a lot of friends. My friend had to get his name changed a couple time, because people kept reporting him. Never got banned for anything we said. Dude, that and Imperial Fleet my god the chat there. I wonder how many people were like your friends GF and quit over what we said! Haha! I can imagine right now even trying to chat what we did in-game over here... BOOM! Banned!.. Sigh.. Also, I played sage/sorc heals there, just as I play white mage primarily here. Healers would always get focused in warzones.... because they were healers. Where was I going with this again?

[MelodyCrystel]

Easy solution for this matter is answering a simple question:

Do you have in RL the courage to approach a stranger on the street and tell them "Please, get dressed properly, because I can't stand your current outfit." (or something similar matching your personality)?

For all the brave souls responding with "Yes!", I'd say you deserve the option to turn off glamour on other players.

For those who don't have the courage, though...
You cannot click your fingers and magically make a horrible outfit of another person disappear in RL, so why should you have that ability in a game, when you're unable to even ask another human being in front of you to do something about their look?

In general, from my own perspective, the thing about glamour is how you express yourself - same goes for clothes in RL, thus I don't find it really fair to ignore other people's efforts just because some players let their characters wear questionable outfits. I for one see thousands of beautiful glamours, while only crossing paths with very bad ideas once or twice a month, which is why I wouldn't use that option even if it existed. -.-

Also, for everybody who'd like to have the option:
You DO realize, that people wear sometimes stuff that isn't entirely the same set, yes? Miss-matched outfits would be something you'd often have to see when turning off glamour; ergo, that'll be something you better shouldn't complain about. But in case staying tame would be no problem for you, I hope SE hears your wish and implements it in the future. =U.U=

[Ivellior]

Again...

There is a huge difference in asking the devs to change their vision so you can dress how you like...and asking the devs to change their vision so you can alter how other people look to fit your own vision.

Can't tell the difference between dressing yourself, and dressing up other players? Seriously?

This argument makes absolutely no sense. Does that mean if I turn off the battle effects on my client changes the vision of the devs? I mean it changes the way everyone does battle on my client? How about when I change the color of the name for players or friends. Suddenly all blue (other) player names are red, and all orange (friends) player names are white. Does that change the vision of the devs? Turning off glamours is the exact same thing.

Following this logic, removing glamours alltogether is best way to uphold the vision of the devs. They made the new sets, according to their vision. If you change the appearance via glamour, doesn't that change the original vision?

And please don't argue that the glamoured items are made by the devs so it's fine. If you remove the glamours the previous items are still made by the devs.

Glamours are made to enhance the player experience, just like dyes. The option to turn off glamours (or dyes) is also one to enhance the player experience. What is more that option does not even have an effect on the players who want to use/see glamours.

Can you explain me to me why if I change the player names colour from blue to green is acceptable and doesn't ask the devs to change their vision but changing the glamour does.
Both options do the same thing. They replace one thing you see on your screen, (the player name / the player armor) with another. If you can turn off player names there is no reason you can't turn off player glamours.

At least try to put forward a logical argument. If you don't want the change just say:"I don't want it", "It hurts my feelings and I don't want it", "I want to be a prick and want to run around in neon glowing outfit like a globe". At least be honest.

[Granyala]

Anyway I was getting at how there are people who act like their character is actually an extension of themselves, like second life. Treat the game like it's reality.

Well, being multiplayer, the game IS reality, to some extent.
If I make Sturm Churro feel uncomfortable, there is a good chance that I make the player behind her feel uncomfortable too.
So, yes: our characters are extensions of ourselves, our conduit through which we interact with this, shall we call it: "fantasy world".

Personally speaking, I give Ifalna a somewhat different character, different likes and dislikes compared to my own. Makes roleplaying more interesting that way. I am already "me" IRL, I like to try to be s/o else in a fantasy world like this one.