It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

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This argument makes absolutely no sense. Does that mean if I turn off the battle effects on my client changes the vision of the devs? I mean it changes the way everyone does battle on my client? How about when I change the color of the name for players or friends. Suddenly all blue (other) player names are red, and all orange (friends) player names are white. Does that change the vision of the devs? Turning off glamours is the exact same thing.

Again you're willfully ignoring the difference between having options that make game performance smoother and making things easier to see, and something that has only a purely cosmetic use.

Following this logic, removing glamours alltogether is best way to uphold the vision of the devs. They made the new sets, according to their vision. If you change the appearance via glamour, doesn't that change the original vision?

No because we glam in to other gear that is approved by SE. All gear in the game is approved by SE, therefore every piece of gear is part of their vision.

And please don't argue that the glamoured items are made by the devs so it's fine. If you remove the glamours the previous items are still made by the devs.

While it is true that unglammed gear is obviously still part of SE's vision, you have to remember that the argument many here make in support of glam removal is that they think certain gear should not be part of that vision. In other words their personal vision for the game is at odds with SE's vision.

Glamours are made to enhance the player experience, just like dyes. The option to turn off glamours (or dyes) is also one to enhance the player experience. What is more that option does not even have an effect on the players who want to use/see glamours.

While turning off glams would be client side, the moment a person uploads screenshots or streams that content becomes public and therefore no longer client side. Just like how parsing is client side but the moment the results of those parses are uploaded to fflogs they no longer are.

Some players don't like the idea that another person can change how their character looks without their consent. You could say SE could forbid these uploads but lets be honest, they also forbid mod use and it's so easy to find evidence of it being uploaded as screenshots and streams.

Furthermore, and I mentioned this before, if glams simply default to unglammed combat gear, racial gear or AF gear you run the risk of essentially undressing characters, especially in the case of females. Sometimes people glam in a specific way to avoid a certain type of attention, and if glam removal reveals more skin than their own glam does then you are removing what little power they have to avoid this.

You may not be a creep who would take advantage of a situation like this, but someone else might and you can't guarantee that no one would abuse it. I explained in a lot of detail the sort of abuse I encountered due to female characters wearing revealing gear (for context this was during a time in WoW when transmog/glam did not exist and the player wore the gear purely because the stats were good, she did change her gear but it was too late by then because the damage had already been done).

While it's not common for this to occur at such a degree the point is that it does happen. I know that skimpy outfits are not and should not be treated as an invitation for certain comments, but you likely know that not everyone sees things this way. If glam removal comes to the game I personally would only be able to tolerate it if it puts players into modest outfits. I'm not comfortable with the idea of giving creeps a way to see something they normally would not be able to see.

And we know there are plenty of creeps around. The ban waves in Balmung related to erp with illegal connotations is quite famous in the community.

Can you explain me to me why if I change the player names colour from blue to green is acceptable and doesn't ask the devs to change their vision but changing the glamour does. Both options do the same thing. They replace one thing you see on your screen, (the player name / the player armor) with another. If you can turn off player names there is no reason you can't turn off player glamours.

You do not glam the colour of the text above your character's head. It is not something chosen in character creation, and it is not part of the glamming system. So in changing the colour of the text you are not removing the appearance of the physical preferences of another player character. Whether the text above their head is green, pink or whatever the character itself looks identical.

As mentioned before, this is a tool that is designed to make things easier to see. While it can be used purely for cosmetic personal preference, that does not negate the fact that it is there for an actual functional use that aids players to spot things. For example you can make people on your friends list have a different colour name. Glam removal's intended function is purely cosmetic. Depending on how SE decides how players would look unglammed it may even make it more difficult to spot players due to making them dress super similarly to one another.

As for being able to remove names above players/minions, that is to reduce clutter. Again, making things easier to see. Not a purely cosmetic feature. I personally have found it easier to interact with msq npcs on patch day since turning off names.

Changing the colour of the text or making it invisible is a purely ui option. Unglamming players is not a ui option, it's an environmental one.

At least try to put forward a logical argument.

This thread is littered with logical arguments but you choose to see them as illogical because it suits you. If anything this makes some who want glam removal appear unreasonable because they are refusing to see the differences between ui options and environmental ones, game performance options and cosmetic ones. Others turn a blind eye to the abuse that could happen with an option that can be used to put other players into skimpy clothing without their consent.

It would be better if everyone who supported glam removal acknowledged that it's not the same as ui options, and that it should be introduced in a manner that minimises potential abuse. SE would be more likely to take this thread seriously if players didn't flat ignore how it doesn't really resemble any options currently in the game, and that if done incorrectly it could result in harassment.

If you don't want the change just say:"I don't want it", "It hurts my feelings and I don't want it" "I want to be a prick and want to run around in neon glowing outfit like a globe". At least be honest.

The idea of glam removal doesn't hurt my feelings. I am in the privileged position of identifying with the gender and body I was born with, and I happen to like to dress in a way that society finds acceptable. I do not need the game in order to fully express myself because I have this freedom with ease in real life. However I have enough empathy to understand those who are not as privileged as I am, and for them games like FFXIV are some of the few places they can truly be themselves without worrying about getting shunned. I understand that glam removal for them could make them feel that the option allows people to remove traces of their existence. Which would especially sting if they feel that society in general would like to do this to them.

Glam removal doesn't personally sit right with me for three main reasons:

1: As mentioned before if glam removal can result in players being put into skimpier clothes than they glammed, this could result in harassment. I personally have seen harassment related to this get very far, and in WoW during when transmog/glam didn't exist I did have some weirdos say some creepy things to me just because the gear I happened to have on revealed skin in the places they liked. I would rather retain what little power I have to not catch the attention of these kinds of people. I'm fine with other players being in skimpy outfits. I just don't want to wear them. If glam removal comes to the game I would only be able to tolerate it if it puts players into modest clothing.

2: Glam removal is essentially whitewashing the game. Introducing this option would make others feel permitted to have other ways to control the appearance of other players. Requests of removing certain races (likely lalafells because for some reason cuteness gets a lot of hate), hairstyles, skin colours, mounts, minions...the list goes on. Give players an inch, they will want a mile.

Even if SE agree with the idea of glam removal, I can see them not introducing the option due to not wanting to seem like they permit players to erase the diversity of others. I don't think SE want to get known for permitting the censorship of players who did absolutely nothing wrong.

3: I think that glam removal goes against the spirit of being in a mmorpg. Part of their charm is that the worlds are real with real people inhabiting them. Removing the cosmetic options other players choose to have makes them closer to being npcs, and therefore less like a mmorpg filled with many different types of people.

"I want to be a prick and want to run around in neon glowing outfit like a globe"

And to dispell any notions that I am some dolt who just wants to glam with the intent of causing annoyance or distraction this is what I typically wear. As you can see it is lore appropriate and not flashy. I currently have a glam that matches the current event. Generally the only time I have a silly glam is during Halloween and that's usually the ghost costume or some ordinary gear with the pumpkin head. And it can be argued such glams are lore appropriate because these events in the game are part of the story.

Well that was a lot. I seriously doubt you will read most of it but at least it can never be said that I didn't try to explain anything